Passengers support Autistic girl forced off plane

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13 May 2015, 3:24 am

There were better ways to phrase

That's it. It's the mother's phrasing that comes off as threatening.
Although to be fair, I suppose that someone under stress over whether their child is about to melt down is probably not thinking too hard about how to word things.

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13 May 2015, 5:43 am

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There were better ways to phrase how the daughter would react to problems, and adding the part about when they would listen doesn't sound very safe sounding, more like the mom would unleash her or something.

I don't think the pilot had any other option to land the plane because despite what we might hope, there are chances that some meltdowns will have violence that can not be controlled and Autistic individuals may not always be able to re-assert control without having accidentally hurt someone.

In my opinion, the mother shares some blame for presenting the issue in a fairly threatening sounding fashion which caused concerns; the flight attendant shares blame for perhaps not reporting matters/details completely accurately possibly; there is blame to go around here, but none on the daughter I think.

There was nothing wrong with the wording. There is however, something sick in the heads, of the monsters that heard what she said.

No, the pilot DID have the option to not discriminate, but instead chose to. Normal people don't associate meltdowns with violence, that's because after obtaining all the facts, they can then conclude that meltdowns are not something where you go crazy, lose control and commit acts of violence, that saying so is indeed counter-factual, and incredibly offensive. And if they don't know, they ask -- That's what normal people do.

Sick monsters however, only need to hear the word 'meltdown' or 'scratch' to then conclude that they're a dangerous rampaging animal that threatens the entire crew, so as to be as discriminatory as possible.

Sick monsters, will double down on their bigoted and vile stigmas when you tell them the facts. That's why higher-ups haven't even made an apology yet, but instead continued the discrimination by putting out an official statement saying they did it for the "safety and comfort" of the passengers, and I hope each and every one of those pieces of s**t gets what for.

The Mother is not to blame, not even slightly -- She has every right to publicly talk about Autism and Asperger's, and not face discrimination over it. The entire blame goes on the Captain, the Crew, and United Airlines, they're the ones that did it.


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13 May 2015, 5:50 am

Some ignorance I noticed in the article.

It is not possible for anyone, let alone a young girl to open the emergency door midflight.

I suspect there was a lot of paranoia going on.


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13 May 2015, 10:11 am

That one woman was way out of line with saying she could open the door 36,000 feet in the air.

Meltdowns does not equal violence but unfortunately there are some who do get violent, look at parents who post here about their kids aggression and call it a meltdown and around the internet by parents who post about meltdowns and their autistic kids aggression. Bad apples exist with autism just like there are bad apples who are NT, bad apples who have anxiety, etc and if the same had been said about a normal child, same consequence. The mother made it sound like her daughter lashes out at people when she doesn't get what she wants. I would have the same reaction too if I heard that and it wouldn't be due to autism because I would have that same reaction about anyone, NT, anxiety, OCD, mental impairment, Bipolar, schizophrenia, etc. I don't know the person and you tell me she might scratch? Being NT doesn't cause someone to be violent either but yet if a parent still told someone that about their child, they would be taken off the plane and no one would call it bigotry or discrimination.

How about everyone just quit calling it a meltdown when a child is aggressive. Then meltdowns will stop being associated with violence. I doubt Frankie was having a meltdown when he kept throwing an ax at my brothers and their friends or when he would fracture other kids bones who were defenseless and when he would go hitting his mother and breaking things until she did what he said and he also happened to be on the spectrum but he also had ODD.

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13 May 2015, 9:43 pm

It was the girl's mother who used the word melt down wasn't it?

The info we have is from the mother. Maybe she is making it sound better on her part. Who knows what really happened? Or what she really said?

Even if all the mom said was that if you don't give me this, that will happen, and 'that' included any sort of physical acting out...that's a risk on an airplane. They're not going to take that risk. They can't.

People with autism travel all the time. I do not think they 'forced her off the plane' because she has autism. I think they did not like the mom harassing the flight crew. Their one concern is safety and a calm, smooth flight. They can't have any passenger making 'warnings' or 'threats' that someone's gonna act out. At that point they turned the plane around.

The girl got a hot meal. And the mom got grounded.


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22 May 2015, 8:18 am wrote:
In the wake of a recent case of apparent discrimination against an autistic airline passenger, the Autistic Self Advocacy Network (ASAN), the nation's leading advocacy organization run by and for Autistic Americans, urges the Department of Transportation to issue guidance clarifying and reinforcing the Air Carrier Access Act's legal protections for autistic passengers.

Last week, 15-year-old Juliette Beegle, who is autistic, was forced off of a United Airlines flight after requesting an accommodation. Donna had asked a flight attendant if it would be possible to provide a hot meal to her daughter, who could not eat food served cold due to sensory issues associated with autism. Despite disclosing disability status as the basis for the request, the flight attendant initially refused. After Juliette finally received a hot meal, the pilot announced an emergency landing because of a "behavioral issue," and Juliette and her family were removed. Juliette's removal was based apparently on her disability, not on any actual threat she posed to passengers.... "ASAN Calls For Autism Air Carrier Guidance From Department Of Transportation" (May 21, 2015) ... sportation

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24 May 2015, 9:46 am

I was very upset by this. Discrimination at work...