So what do y'all think of Rachel Dolezal?

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11 Jul 2020, 2:12 am

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And failing that she could...claim that, like everyone else in the human race, her cave man ancestors came out of Africa in the stone age 100 thousand years ago, and therefore she has "Black African ancestry" that way! :D


Many of the pro-black or afrocentrists in the US are fond of reminding us that everyone originated in Africa, that's why I find it odd that so many believe Dolezal can't be black. You cant decide when and whom somebody is African when we are all ancestrally African.

For example this person below is African-American and doesn't need to the NAACP to validate her identity

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11 Jul 2020, 2:44 am

cyberdad wrote:
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And failing that she could...claim that, like everyone else in the human race, her cave man ancestors came out of Africa in the stone age 100 thousand years ago, and therefore she has "Black African ancestry" that way! :D


Many of the pro-black or afrocentrists in the US are fond of reminding us that everyone originated in Africa, that's why I find it odd that so many believe Dolezal can't be black. You cant decide when and whom somebody is African when we are all ancestrally African.

For example this person below is African-American and doesn't need to the NAACP to validate her identity

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I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek about Dolzel invoking the out of africa hypothesis. Even if she invoked it she still wouldnt be what is commonly thought of as "African".

But yes the term "African American" is also problematic because it implies that you are a "recent immigrant from the continent of Africa". Which would mean that Charlize Theron, Elon Musk, and Dave Matthews, are all "African American". And most garden variety American Blacks are not recent immigrants, but are descended from people brought over as slaves over 200 years ago.

If the late Omar Sheriff had moved to the US he would have been an "African American" in the same sense that Charlize Theron is (folks forget that Egypt is technically part of the continent of Africa).



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11 Jul 2020, 3:05 am

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But yes the term "African American" is also problematic because it implies that you are a "recent immigrant from the continent of Africa". Which would mean that Charlize Theron, Elon Musk, and Dave Matthews, are all "African American". And most garden variety American Blacks are not recent immigrants, but are descended from people brought over as slaves over 200 years ago.

If the late Omar Sheriff had moved to the US he would have been an "African American" in the same sense that Charlize Theron is (folks forget that Egypt is technically part of the continent of Africa).


The problem I have is when black people migrate from Africa they automatically become "African American". My understanding is black migrants are automatically "brothers" even when they want nothing to do with African Americans but Rachel Dolezal is not yet she wants to be one and has two black kids. Kind of picking and choosing.



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12 Jul 2020, 8:56 am

Rachel Dolezal is as African-American as David Lammy is English.


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13 Jul 2020, 1:44 am

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Rachel Dolezal is as African-American as David Lammy is English.


Well he certainly has been immersing himself in English culture

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13 Jul 2020, 2:08 am

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Rachel Dolezal is as African-American as David Lammy is English.


:?: Lammy is English isn't he?



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13 Jul 2020, 2:23 am

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Rachel Dolezal is as African-American as David Lammy is English.


:?: Lammy is English isn't he?


You know what magneto mean't



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13 Jul 2020, 2:46 am

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Rachel Dolezal is as African-American as David Lammy is English.


He's British, but not English.


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13 Jul 2020, 2:51 am

cyberdad wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Magneto wrote:
Rachel Dolezal is as African-American as David Lammy is English.


:?: Lammy is English isn't he?


You know what magneto mean't


genuinely don't.

He is saying that one is as much X as the other. Yet Lammy is English and this Dolezal lady is not African American (unless I misunderstood the story)



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13 Jul 2020, 4:03 am

Biscuitman wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Magneto wrote:
Rachel Dolezal is as African-American as David Lammy is English.


:?: Lammy is English isn't he?


You know what magneto mean't


genuinely don't.

He is saying that one is as much X as the other. Yet Lammy is English and this Dolezal lady is not African American (unless I misunderstood the story)


No, you got the story right.


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13 Jul 2020, 4:05 am

cyberdad wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Magneto wrote:
Rachel Dolezal is as African-American as David Lammy is English.


:?: Lammy is English isn't he?


You know what magneto mean't


He is English, but not of Celtic-Anglo-Saxon-Norman-Viking stock.


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13 Jul 2020, 4:08 am

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cyberdad wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Magneto wrote:
Rachel Dolezal is as African-American as David Lammy is English.


:?: Lammy is English isn't he?


You know what magneto mean't


He is English, but not of Celtic-Anglo-Saxon-Norman-Viking stock.


Technically he is Anglo-Saxonish



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13 Jul 2020, 7:00 am

I'm saying that if you can be a member of an ethnic group *without actually being descended from that ethnic group*, there is no reason why Rachel Dolezal can't identify herself as African-American.


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13 Jul 2020, 12:06 pm

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I'm saying that if you can be a member of an ethnic group *without actually being descended from that ethnic group*, there is no reason why Rachel Dolezal can't identify herself as African-American.


No one would insist he's ethnically English though, even if he identifies as being an English national.


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13 Jul 2020, 12:23 pm

There is no such thing as an English national. The only nationality available in Britain is British. Not English, not Scottish, not anything else.

EDIT: I suppose someone could feel *culturally* English, just as Rachel Dolezal felt culturally African-American. Is that enough to claim membership of a group though? Most people would, I think, say no.


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13 Jul 2020, 3:47 pm

Don't particularly care in all honesty. I mean sociologically I guess it may be interesting.