White guy kills multiple people in black church

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I know plenty of better means of relaxation than ballistics. That said, if I had the space to use one responsibly I would probably own a Howitzer.

You're welcome to say you want to deep fry & eat every president and prime minister in the world for all I care. All I really mean is that you have no idea who could be reading this thread as you type. It's not that something must be done about your gun advocacy, only that something will be done. However semantically insignificant, you're advocating for one of many driving forces behind genocide.

And you won't believe just how large that military-industrial complex really is. However, I'm presently employed by a small defense contractor so it's paying my bills. A few years ago the libs on the PPR forum fussed and swiveled about me being a defense contractor but I was actually on a NASA contract then. They just made the assumption and I let them go on believing.
But I do believe in a strong national defense (or offense for that matter) and you won't see that change about me.

I'm well aware, thanks. It's cute when people talk down to the hacking public. NASA I may work for, I will never touch your business because as I said I've made quite a few promises not to, because the only excuse for building so many weapons is probably alien invasion. Otherwise they just make mutually assured destruction all the more plausible. Instead of building death machines I'll instead be focusing my energies on learning more Russian.

I wouldn't believe you for two seconds if you told me you had ever seen firsthand what even the most rudimentary weapon is capable of. When it happens, and judging by your outlook it probably will, your tune will change before you can even hear it. Good luck affirming your life by effacing others.

I said I wanted to deep fry and eat a president and/or prime minster where?? Find it, please.
Everyone knows I much prefer my national leaders to be breaded and pan fried over a low flame. Deep frying meat just won't do.


Oh my! I am a'feerd now.

And how!
Check out my facebook pic.

At least we have lulz...

When there are lulz, I can finally get some sleep. Have fun with your stingers, predator drones and BUKs, I'll be the hippie with the Jiffy Pop, stack of tumbleweeds and the box fan.

Oh don't feel bad, I talk down to everyone. Condescension is only one of the services I provide.


Russian can be really annoying to listen to after a while.
I'll pass.


I sure ain't no peacenik.

Well, that's it for me we're dealing with you is concerned in this thread. If you want to continue derail a thread on this tragic event in Charleston into a personal trollfest you'll have to find another sparring partner.
G'night.

This is personal for anyone with a conscience. Frankly you're pretty cool, though the last thing anyone close to this massacre wants to see anyone doing is burning bridges. I'll forgive your pejoratives man, I'm just here to keep everyone in the same spirit of pensive reflection I saw on world news.

So sad. Such senseless killings. He deserves the worst.

Do we know yet if he was on the spectrum? The way people describe him, he seems to really fit the profile. If he was, it doesn't surprise me.

God promised us free-will, so He couldn't stop the gunman----because that would be breaking His promise. God's heart was broken, as well, when this happened, and He sent His angels to care for all of them whose heart hurt / is hurting..... Notice all the people, there, that forgave the gunman? THAT'S where God is at work----in THEM!

God also promised us that He would have vengeance with someone like this gunman----so, don't worry, he'll (the gunman) get his due!!

I don't know if I'm right or wrong and I'm not that concerned about it.

I don't agree that 150 years is enough time to have recovered from slavery. That's only 2 or 3 generations back. And the transition to equality has not been smooth. I think you are naive to think enough time has passed.



Seriously, this argument isn't about you or your transcript, it's about ideas.

I'm thinking there's some "fuzzy math", here..... A generation, generally speaking, can be around 20 years----that would be, like, 7.5 generations, back----so, more than TWICE what you are saying. 3 generations back, would be my great-grandfather , and he was born AFTER the Emancipation Proclamation (and I'm not "20-something").

Even if someone wanted to say a generation is 30 years, that's STILL FIVE generations!!

Regardless, IMO, the point IS, NO ONE living today, has experienced it! No Black person living today, has experienced THAT slavery; and, no WHITE person living today, has been THAT Slave owner!!

IMO, MORE-than-enough time has passed, because of this (no one being alive), and those who want to keep it alive, are doing so, to have a reason to perpetually whine. SURE, LEARN from the past----so that it is not repeated----but, don't LIVE the past!!

I'll go with your math because mine sucks.
And I still think it's not enough time. The repercussions of slavery are not just about the dead. The U.S. did not go from slavery to equality with emancipation. Yours is a society that is built on the exploitation of an entire group of people. That the Confederate flag still flies in S.C. is testament to this.

Mea culpa for taking this thread off topic, but since we're here, let me say that I don't take comfort in the idea that a divine father would condemn any of his children to hell (or let anyone else take them there). As Robert Ingersoll wrote:

"It [the doctrine of a loving god condemning his children to hell] has covered the cheeks of this world with tears. It has polluted the hearts of children, and poisoned the imaginations of men.... What right have you, sir, Mr. Clergyman, you, minister of the gospel, to stand at the portals of the tomb, at the vestibule of eternity, and fill the future with horror and with fear? I do not believe this doctrine, neither do you. If you did, you could not sleep one moment. Any man who believes it, and has within his breast a decent, throbbing heart, will go insane. A man who believes that doctrine and does not go insane has the heart of a snake and the conscience of a hyena."

As for the people who said they forgive Roof: I heard their words broadcast live, and the pain evident in their voices brought me to tears. I believe that all people are inherently good (their behavior is another issue), and I believe that they may very well forgive him, but at the same time, I know that saying those words is much easier than actually doing it. Parishioners of charismatic churches are as fallible as any others and/but face a lot of pressure to say that sort of thing regardless of how they truly feel.

You and I may forever have different outlooks regarding the nature of the divine and the sources and interpretations of the bible, but those are academic and petty compared to a person's true nature and actions. Please know that I respect what is likely your good character and kind heart.

As far as I know he was never referred for professional help so we may never know. I just call him a terrorist.

True, we did not go from "slavery to equality with emancipation"----BUT, IMO, it would take BOTH sides----WHITES and BLACKS----for racism to end. IOW, Blacks are now exploiting WHITES, IMO, in not letting "the slavery thing" GO, and throwing it in our faces with every other exhalation----but, nobody's gonna feel sorry for whites, cuz look what we did to THEM. It's circular----whites treated blacks, badly, and they raised themselves UP----blacks treat whites, badly, and now the whites are raising themselves, up, and saying "I'm not putting-up, with this, anymore".

(Note: I am, in NO way, condoning what this kid did, in S.C.----I think it's HORRIBLE, and my heart BREAKS, for them.)