Sex crimes in Europe by North African and Arab men

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Middle Eastern / Islamic "culture" is a lot more misogynistic than many others. I agree that there is a degree of misogyny even in so-called "progressive, Western culture", but radical Islam takes the cake when it comes to hating the female of the species.

These men probably had never seen a woman without a whole body covering in their native Syria, so they must have thought that Kufar woman dressed in "skimpy outfits" (which is what they think of anyone whose hair and body are not hidden behind a whole-body burqa) "are asking for it". Most Western men would not look at a woman - ANY woman, whether she is Asian, Middle Eastern, African, Hispanic, White, whatever - dressed in reasonable, every-day attire and think that she's dressed "provocatively". It's all relative. However, it appears that these rabid beasts' definition of "provocation" is anyone who is showing off a quarter of a finger-nail -- and that has do with their lovely "culture".

AND, would they have dared to feel entitled to the bodies of their compatriot women in their native Syria, even if a woman had dared to run around with - say - "Western attire" ? Not just no, but hell no. They would have probably sat around and watched her be stoned to death for "tempting the menfolk" but they would not have dared to touch her, had they been in Syria, however much they wanted to personally assault her. But the fact that they had no compunctions acting on their animal instincts on the streets of Germany, raped at the first available opportunity, given the lack of said "opportunities" back in their own hell-holes of homelands, makes these attacks about their wonderful "culture".

Secondly, even if you argue that this wasn't about their "culture" but about location, motive and opportunity, and if mass rapes are part of "war", then they effectively declared war against their hosts by violating their women. So treat them as Daesh - not Americans - would treat prisoners of war. Apply the laws of Sharia - which is the only law - these b@stards understand. That would be castration. What frustrates me is the white man's "cultured and humanitarian" manner of handling these criminals with "kid gloves". When will you white people get it ?



Time to close your borders. Don't play ministering angels to them anymore. Charity begins at home. Take care of your women and children, first. Your own families and communities come first. Let the Middle Easterns worry about the Middle East. Quit Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan, Japan, and wherever else you guys have a pulse on, and let them all take care of themselves. You just worry about yourselves and your own community's and country's development / progress.

Depends is not a very inspiring answer. We don't have to use a hypothetical country or area of said country, lets use where these refugees actually come from. Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Eritrea, Sudan, the Caucasus, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria, and other parts of west and north Africa. Basically the most regressive dangerous places on the planet, why might that be?

I will agree the my response is not inspiring. But that is the often cynical and pessimistic way I view the world. I am Jewish and look at people who have been nice to me and ask myself if we were in Nazi Germany would they turn me in and too often the answer is yes.

And what do you think these people think about Jews? Jews in Europe seem to be pretty worried since they're fleeing the continent in numbers unseen since the 1930s, Netanyahu says Europe is no longer safe for Jews and the reason is obvious.

OK, I understand your meaning better. Fair enough--but:
None of this has emerged suddenly or unexpectedly. There is a well known cultural context that is very troubling.

Since you seem to be unaware of this context, I have put together a few links that may be helpful.

The myth of the western woman...
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... tern-women
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/arti ... slim-lands

What I am arguing is that men from these cultural contexts living in Europe without ever learning the new values and culture of their new environment are inevitably going to cause problems. I am also suggesting that the governments of Western nations with a liberal tradition of democracy, rule of law and human rights have a moral obligation to defend their culture against incoming populations that hold values inimical to their own.

Yes, rape culture transcends religious and regional groups--there is plenty of trouble with rape, trafficking of sex slaves and sexual abuse in Europe--but, that does not make it acceptable that these men are bringing their disgusting attitudes toward women with them as they migrate to Europe, America and elsewhere.

Please note that these observations are not from a left-wing or right-wing perspective, or based in liberal or conservative dogma, but instead are drawn from Arab, African, European and American news sources with a diverse range of political perspectives.

Some more links that may be helpful in developing an understanding of the troubling cultural context these men are coming from, with reports from Afghanistan and Pakistan right the way through the Middle East and across North Africa to Morocco:

Pakistan's pervasive rape culture and tribal law
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety ... onths.html\
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pakis ... 3I20110812
http://www.enca.com/world/pakistan-trib ... -gang-rape

Rape and abuse in Afghanistan
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world ... -boys.html
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/ ... n-made-usa

Iraq
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/middleeas ... em-muslim/

Syria
http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... is/274583/

Egypt
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/21/opini ... lence.html

Libya and Libyan soldiers abroad
http://www.euronews.com/2011/06/09/un-s ... pe-policy/
http://www.euronews.com/2015/05/11/dest ... s-amnesty/
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... -cambridge

Tunisia
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-26820712
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/ ... man-or-gay

Morocco
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-25855025
http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2015/10 ... in-prison/
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur ... 56401.html

Amnesty International report: "Sexual violence in Algeria,Tunisia and Morocco"
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/sexual-viole ... plJwOgrLgk

Last edited by Adamantium on 15 Jan 2016, 11:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.: moved Syria link out of Egypt section

And just how do you propose to do this ?

The reference to "human rights and democracy" ? Is this a veiled suggestion that these animals will be handled the "Western way" aka the "democratic and humanitarian" way, the way that does NOTHING but makes you a laughing stock in the eyes of these vile beasts and your women "sitting ducks" ?

Wrong in so many ways!

Why do you make yourself an enemy of western civilization? Why do you insist that we must we adopt Sharia in order to defeat it?

A couple of minor points:

Castration is not the penalty for either sexual assault or rape in most traditions of Sharia. The penalty for rape may include stoning to death of either the victim or the perpetrator or both, depending on the whim of the court, as I understand it.

Western civilization is not the property of "the white man." The values of western civilization are inculcated in men and women of all races and they are effective representatives and exemplars of its traditions and extraordinary virtues.

Humans are animals. Humans make and understand culture.
The proposition that animals don't understand culture is false.

When will you atavistic enemies of western values realize the full power of western civilization's omnivorous, hegemonizing tendencies? Islamism and other fads may briefly flare up from time to time, but the world is being relentlessly, continuously transformed by our culture and there is nothing the bitter and backward adherents of Islamism or any other movement can do about it. Their attacks on our culture will be no more effective than Xerxes' chastisement of the Hellespont.

More dangerous in the short term is the insidious attack from within by the likes of Donald Trump--but they and their ersatz ideologies are just as doomed in the long run.

You are much too confident in the fate of western civilization, we are the real minority on this planet and we are the only civilization in history of the world that values equality and rights of the individual over that of the collective. Birthrates in Europe are far far below replacement level, within 100 years a large amount of Europe will be Muslim and everything that western civilization built over millennia will be washed away, we are returning to a time before enlightenment. I see our way of life needing preserving, not theirs.

They are fleeing radical Islamic terrorism. And there is the background of centuries of deadly anti semitism that was there long before the immigration of Muslims. So they have good reason'to think the non Muslims agree with Radical Islamic anti Semitic terrorism. Roving bands of rapists have little or nothing to do with it.

Very 2016 view of problems. Some fraternity mistreats women or puts a noose on a bus, a long list of history of fraternal misbehavoir is trotted out and all fraternaties are branded as racist MRI's, Adam Lanza an Aspie shoots up an elementry school, a few other other alleged Aspies committ spree shootings and now autism is in a list of inclusion in a database for automatic background checks, employers grow even more fearful of hiring us,bullying etc.

I can see that you didn't bother to even skim the first link from Khaled Diab, "The Arab myth of western women." Your loss. Should you (or anyone else who reads this) happen to read that piece, you may find the companion piece that it links to, "The western myth of Arab men," is also quite interesting.

Weird polarizing in this thread: On the one hand you have Jacoby and HisMom, singing of the inevitable global Khalifa from the Wahabi supremacist songbook, and on the other hand you are here saying there is no evidence that there is any sort of problem with male sexual assaults on women in MENA cultures... and somehow concluding that people who recognize the problem of male sexual violence in that region are somehow part of the mindset that tags all aspies as potential Adam Lanzas.

Fascinating.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35310810

What you have me saying are a few things over the course of this thread, none of it is saying there is no larger problem.

1. Main thing I am saying do not automatically ascribe larger cultural issues to every indidividual incident whether it's a mass sexual assault or an every individual confrontation between a white cop and black civilian in America. Bad group "culture" exits, racist bully cops culture exists, but to looking group first as has been the response to Colonge has lead to bad things time and time again, so one should be really, really careful about going down that road.

2. The core issue most of the time in rape is a sense of entitlement to another persons body so that is place if you are looking for causes you look there first. Are roving mobs of muslim predators the reason most women fear going to at lot of places alone in America with our "civilized" values? When you look for exacerbating factors which in the case of of mob violence and sexual assault is usually alcohol and drugs, groupthink, bad conditions,lack of response by authorities which the last two in the case of a place overwhelmed by refugees are legitimate places to look.

3. In another thread I do see a large problem of radical Islam, identitify a main cause of the problem, and advocate for a strong, radical, controversial action to start solving the problem.

These attacks are not the only thing that have happened in Germany, this is widespread and unending

this will not be normal

there are hundreds of stories like all over the EU but the complicit media won't report it

Germany has let in over a million people to the country en masse with millions more to follow, things are only going to get worse

But it's not automatic and there is plenty of evidence of a larger cultural issue. You take men from cultures where the state says it's OK to force sex on infidel girls and women taken as spoils of war (Syria and Iraq under IS rule) or from cultures that say a woman is behaving like a prostitute if she allows men to see her hair or if her niqab is insufficiently opaque, or that she should never be in public without a male escort and so on and on, and transpose them into Germany, England, France, Austira, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Belgium or Finland (the places where these "individual incidents" took place) and a problem with sexual harassment or assault is likely.

Recognizing this is not signing on to Nazi ideology or advocating stupid responses. It is unethical to ask women in these countries to accept a heightened risk of sexual harassment, assault or rape because to do anything about it might be construed as racist or nazi. What is needed is to look carefully at why this is happening (and culture does seem to be part of the problem, or else why weren't all the non-MENA men with rapist tendencies out there doing the same thing?) and then intelligently address that part of the problem.

I see the cultural and racial issues evident in these New Year's Eve sexual assaults as directly related to the issues that came up in the Rotherham abuse cases in England. The ideas Yasmin Alibhai-Brown expressed about those crimes are very applicable to these cases, too:





http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 92497.html

Those who have been identified have been identified mainly due to prior records, and mostly it is not so clear whether they have done anything, and what they have done or whether they just happened to be part of the crowd. So this "result" does not mean that much; after all the police is under a lot of pressure. By the way: there have been so far as I know only 1 or 2 rapes in Cologne. Of which the police said that they are juridically speaking rapes (I guess they mean fingers in body holes).

I am not sure whether there wouldnt be similar problems with white men in similar situations, after all white men, too, have a lot of frustration with women (you just have to look at the threads on Wrongplanet). But sure, the magnitude is bigger with people from Arab and some other countries, regions or communities, because there IS also a cultural problem. The short answer is: People in Arab countries are raised to look down upon women dressed like we are, and going around everywhere, also in crowdy places and without a male family member, so at least when drunk, men tend to consider us as whores.

In order to understand the cultural aspects better, though, one has to find the answer to the question why the culture in those countries has become what it is. It has a lot to do with climate change and resources getting scarcer and scarcer, and the effect this has on cultures and civilization. Unfortunately I cant find the source anymore where this has been argued well that it is not just the raising demand for technical achievements in social organization, agriculture and arms, but that it has repercussion on social control mechanisms (family clan building, suppression of women, inititaion rites, cruelty in childraising).

If I say it like this, it is quite evident for neurotypics, what I am up to, but I guess an Asperger needs to go more into the details (plus quotes from manuscripts, archeologic troves) in order to get an equally good picture of the whole. I therefore try to trace one line, drawing most probably more on Freud in my own little variant than on the original source I have in mind.

With resources getting scarce, it becomes more important to have a bigger family clan, because this provides an advantage in terms of defending one s own property against others, therefore polygamy. Women have to be hindered to go away, therefore repression and dependance. Women get angry at men (the so-called penis envy is better to be described as penis rage, believe me, I know what I am talking about, it is a very strong feeling), in particular if they have little children. This rage, if not understood and controlled, can lead to anxiety in the not yet-neurologically matured male baby and toddler, as he can understand the rage and nature of the rage of his mother, but not the reasons for this rage (the castration fear). So there are neurologic side effects. In order to ban this fear, circumcision of men is practiced, which has its own ambivalent effects. With the rage and anxiety level of man towards women and of women towards men raising, the subordination of women and the corresponding averse effects on men are raising, because women need to be protected against the rage of men. Protection concerns become the most repressive factor. In harsher cultures, women are circumcised, too.

Actually, I don't give a damn why these rabid beasts behave towards women as they do. They can do whatever they want in their own hell holes of "homelands". However, once they get into a new country, they need to get over it and adopt the norms and the cultures of their new home-lands. At the very least, they should desist from acting on their animal instincts and indulging in the violent crimes that their "religion of peace" allows them to indulge in towards Kufar populations.

It is this shocking lack of respect for their hosts and their sheer ingratitude in "going after those who have shown them kindness" that makes these creatures sub-human SCUM. I am not saying that it is OK for them to abuse their own women or children, but if their women opt to voluntarily cover themselves up, share their men with 10 other women, and live in filthy squalor with a dozen children each, then that's their choice. Just don't come into Europe or America or anywhere else and tell local women to either adopt your 7th century norms or to become victims of sexual assault.

If anything bothers me more than these people wanting to pray during the workday on the employer's dime, it's their wanton assault of the "Kufar woman" who they deem as whores / spoils of "war". Very manly indeed, going after an unarmed woman. These "men" would never dare to go after a female cop in uniform. Bunch of cowards and pansies.

So, yes, my answer to your long-winded explanation of why these men are such as*holes is "I don't care, go back to your own hell holes and live out your culture in said wasteland. OR die. Your choice."