Kraichgauer
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12 Jul 2016, 4:06 pm
12 Jul 2016, 7:59 pm
Social liberals seem to be pretty damn scared of inanimate objects and the people that own them. 
Perhaps people should ask LoveNotHate where he/she lives/lived.
If you live in say, a high crime majority black area of Chicago as a white individual, you're going to be "racist" just by design. It's how the brain works when there's so many black people committing violent crimes. Pattern recognition.
Perhaps it's unfair, but it's a survival mechanism.
You're never going to experience this if you live in a nice area your whole life (whether black or white people, it doesn't matter if they're equally peaceful; the brain isn't going to see either as a threat in this context).
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13 Jul 2016, 11:30 am
ZenDen wrote:
Thanks very much Cat. 
You said it's entirely possible I'm out of touch with changes in the black community, not having close association for many years.
At first I thought "Now wait a minute here..." but after I thought about it for a while I thought.."Is it possible for an entire group of people to change like this?"
SURE it is!! Let's take Columbine, for example..... We, as a people (Americans), were MUCH different, before and after, that horrible tragedy, and the so many that followed, wouldn't you say? Also, what about 9/11? I'm thinking our country / our country's thinking, changed ALOT, after that!
Also, like I said, that was FORTY years, ago (I'm talking about your working with the black men, now)----do you not feel you have changed as a person, generally speaking, since back-then? I know *I* sure have----and, I feel certain that anybody else would say they've changed a great deal, in 40 years.
You've said it's almost as though there is a "different culture" in Black neighborhoods. Supposedly poor people flashing signs of wealth and "hauteur" while you live the impoverished life.
Actually, the way I was thinking, is that the American culture, as-a-whole, has changed, since then.
As for poor people "flashing signs of wealth", that part hasn't changed, IMO. For as long as I can remember it's been like that----poor people, on welfare, living in the ghetto, and driving Cadillacs, for instance, was VERY common, back then.
As far as I know the government hasn't increased it's Welfare payments drastically (I could be wrong-tell me if I am please)
No, you're not wrong about that. AFAIK, only cost-of-living increases, have been made.
so where does this money come from???? The only thing I can think of (overall not in the specific) is drug profit; would you concur?
Yes, I DEFINITELY think that's where the "wealth" comes-from!! My neighbor that I was telling you about, that's dripping in gold----her baby daddy drives a Jaguar!! NOBODY, in this neighborhood, drives a Jag, unless they've got a hustle, of SOME kind----and, drugs are the ONLY thing that could provide for that, IMO. The way *I* look at it, is if he was doing something legit, then why wouldn't he get his girlfriend / family, in a better place. As it is, they're living in a possible 8 or 900+ dollar apartment, and only paying, maybe, 100 dollars, for it----so, why pay more, if you don't have to!
Do you see more evidence of drug use in your neighborhood that weren't evident many years ago???
Ummm, I don't actually SEE drug use----I only SMELL it, when it seeps-into my apartment, from another's apartment. It's absolute MURDER smelling ANY of that stuff (Aspie sensory issues, of course). My neighbor, downstairs, smokes pot, a few times a week, and that REALLY makes me angry----it's like somebody breaking into my house, and stealing something, to me, on the days I wake-up and my house REEKS of the stuff, because one should be able to have control over what comes into their house. Crack is just as bad----at least, that's what I THINK it was, the times that I've smelled it. I had to search on the internet about it (I've never done street drugs, not even pot, so I didn't know certain stuff----my eldest sister would shoot, pop, smoke, drink anything you'd give her, so I learned SOME tidbits, from her).
I see drug DEALING, though----and, I would say it goes in waves. For awhile, it'll be quite prevalent; then, the cops'll drive everybody out; then, there'll be another wave, and so-on. A gas station, not far from here, was recently raided / closed-down, cuz there was all kinds of crime, up there----drugs, people gettin' murdered, and stuff.....
I'd say it's been pretty steady / regular, all these years, downtown----with exceptional occurrences, sometimes.
Can you move?
Oh, my, no. It takes, what is to ME, a small mint, to do that----I don't have any friends or family (well, no family in the area, and no friends, AT ALL).
You said it's entirely possible I'm out of touch with changes in the black community, not having close association for many years.
At first I thought "Now wait a minute here..." but after I thought about it for a while I thought.."Is it possible for an entire group of people to change like this?"
SURE it is!! Let's take Columbine, for example..... We, as a people (Americans), were MUCH different, before and after, that horrible tragedy, and the so many that followed, wouldn't you say? Also, what about 9/11? I'm thinking our country / our country's thinking, changed ALOT, after that!
Also, like I said, that was FORTY years, ago (I'm talking about your working with the black men, now)----do you not feel you have changed as a person, generally speaking, since back-then? I know *I* sure have----and, I feel certain that anybody else would say they've changed a great deal, in 40 years.
You've said it's almost as though there is a "different culture" in Black neighborhoods. Supposedly poor people flashing signs of wealth and "hauteur" while you live the impoverished life.
Actually, the way I was thinking, is that the American culture, as-a-whole, has changed, since then.
As for poor people "flashing signs of wealth", that part hasn't changed, IMO. For as long as I can remember it's been like that----poor people, on welfare, living in the ghetto, and driving Cadillacs, for instance, was VERY common, back then.
As far as I know the government hasn't increased it's Welfare payments drastically (I could be wrong-tell me if I am please)
No, you're not wrong about that. AFAIK, only cost-of-living increases, have been made.
so where does this money come from???? The only thing I can think of (overall not in the specific) is drug profit; would you concur?
Yes, I DEFINITELY think that's where the "wealth" comes-from!! My neighbor that I was telling you about, that's dripping in gold----her baby daddy drives a Jaguar!! NOBODY, in this neighborhood, drives a Jag, unless they've got a hustle, of SOME kind----and, drugs are the ONLY thing that could provide for that, IMO. The way *I* look at it, is if he was doing something legit, then why wouldn't he get his girlfriend / family, in a better place. As it is, they're living in a possible 8 or 900+ dollar apartment, and only paying, maybe, 100 dollars, for it----so, why pay more, if you don't have to!
Do you see more evidence of drug use in your neighborhood that weren't evident many years ago???
Ummm, I don't actually SEE drug use----I only SMELL it, when it seeps-into my apartment, from another's apartment. It's absolute MURDER smelling ANY of that stuff (Aspie sensory issues, of course). My neighbor, downstairs, smokes pot, a few times a week, and that REALLY makes me angry----it's like somebody breaking into my house, and stealing something, to me, on the days I wake-up and my house REEKS of the stuff, because one should be able to have control over what comes into their house. Crack is just as bad----at least, that's what I THINK it was, the times that I've smelled it. I had to search on the internet about it (I've never done street drugs, not even pot, so I didn't know certain stuff----my eldest sister would shoot, pop, smoke, drink anything you'd give her, so I learned SOME tidbits, from her).
I see drug DEALING, though----and, I would say it goes in waves. For awhile, it'll be quite prevalent; then, the cops'll drive everybody out; then, there'll be another wave, and so-on. A gas station, not far from here, was recently raided / closed-down, cuz there was all kinds of crime, up there----drugs, people gettin' murdered, and stuff.....
I'd say it's been pretty steady / regular, all these years, downtown----with exceptional occurrences, sometimes.
Can you move?
Oh, my, no. It takes, what is to ME, a small mint, to do that----I don't have any friends or family (well, no family in the area, and no friends, AT ALL).
13 Jul 2016, 12:23 pm
Campin_Cat wrote:
ZenDen wrote:
Thanks very much Cat.
You said it's entirely possible I'm out of touch with changes in the black community, not having close association for many years.
At first I thought "Now wait a minute here..." but after I thought about it for a while I thought.."Is it possible for an entire group of people to change like this?"
SURE it is!! Let's take Columbine, for example..... We, as a people (Americans), were MUCH different, before and after, that horrible tragedy, and the so many that followed, wouldn't you say? Also, what about 9/11? I'm thinking our country / our country's thinking, changed ALOT, after that!
Also, like I said, that was FORTY years, ago (I'm talking about your working with the black men, now)----do you not feel you have changed as a person, generally speaking, since back-then? I know *I* sure have----and, I feel certain that anybody else would say they've changed a great deal, in 40 years.
You've said it's almost as though there is a "different culture" in Black neighborhoods. Supposedly poor people flashing signs of wealth and "hauteur" while you live the impoverished life.
Actually, the way I was thinking, is that the American culture, as-a-whole, has changed, since then.
As for poor people "flashing signs of wealth", that part hasn't changed, IMO. For as long as I can remember it's been like that----poor people, on welfare, living in the ghetto, and driving Cadillacs, for instance, was VERY common, back then.
As far as I know the government hasn't increased it's Welfare payments drastically (I could be wrong-tell me if I am please)
No, you're not wrong about that. AFAIK, only cost-of-living increases, have been made.
so where does this money come from???? The only thing I can think of (overall not in the specific) is drug profit; would you concur?
Yes, I DEFINITELY think that's where the "wealth" comes-from!! My neighbor that I was telling you about, that's dripping in gold----her baby daddy drives a Jaguar!! NOBODY, in this neighborhood, drives a Jag, unless they've got a hustle, of SOME kind----and, drugs are the ONLY thing that could provide for that, IMO. The way *I* look at it, is if he was doing something legit, then why wouldn't he get his girlfriend / family, in a better place. As it is, they're living in a possible 8 or 900+ dollar apartment, and only paying, maybe, 100 dollars, for it----so, why pay more, if you don't have to!
Do you see more evidence of drug use in your neighborhood that weren't evident many years ago???
Ummm, I don't actually SEE drug use----I only SMELL it, when it seeps-into my apartment, from another's apartment. It's absolute MURDER smelling ANY of that stuff (Aspie sensory issues, of course). My neighbor, downstairs, smokes pot, a few times a week, and that REALLY makes me angry----it's like somebody breaking into my house, and stealing something, to me, on the days I wake-up and my house REEKS of the stuff, because one should be able to have control over what comes into their house. Crack is just as bad----at least, that's what I THINK it was, the times that I've smelled it. I had to search on the internet about it (I've never done street drugs, not even pot, so I didn't know certain stuff----my eldest sister would shoot, pop, smoke, drink anything you'd give her, so I learned SOME tidbits, from her).
I see drug DEALING, though----and, I would say it goes in waves. For awhile, it'll be quite prevalent; then, the cops'll drive everybody out; then, there'll be another wave, and so-on. A gas station, not far from here, was recently raided / closed-down, cuz there was all kinds of crime, up there----drugs, people gettin' murdered, and stuff.....
I'd say it's been pretty steady / regular, all these years, downtown----with exceptional occurrences, sometimes.
Can you move?
Oh, my, no. It takes, what is to ME, a small mint, to do that----I don't have any friends or family (well, no family in the area, and no friends, AT ALL).
You said it's entirely possible I'm out of touch with changes in the black community, not having close association for many years.
At first I thought "Now wait a minute here..." but after I thought about it for a while I thought.."Is it possible for an entire group of people to change like this?"
SURE it is!! Let's take Columbine, for example..... We, as a people (Americans), were MUCH different, before and after, that horrible tragedy, and the so many that followed, wouldn't you say? Also, what about 9/11? I'm thinking our country / our country's thinking, changed ALOT, after that!
Also, like I said, that was FORTY years, ago (I'm talking about your working with the black men, now)----do you not feel you have changed as a person, generally speaking, since back-then? I know *I* sure have----and, I feel certain that anybody else would say they've changed a great deal, in 40 years.
You've said it's almost as though there is a "different culture" in Black neighborhoods. Supposedly poor people flashing signs of wealth and "hauteur" while you live the impoverished life.
Actually, the way I was thinking, is that the American culture, as-a-whole, has changed, since then.
As for poor people "flashing signs of wealth", that part hasn't changed, IMO. For as long as I can remember it's been like that----poor people, on welfare, living in the ghetto, and driving Cadillacs, for instance, was VERY common, back then.
As far as I know the government hasn't increased it's Welfare payments drastically (I could be wrong-tell me if I am please)
No, you're not wrong about that. AFAIK, only cost-of-living increases, have been made.
so where does this money come from???? The only thing I can think of (overall not in the specific) is drug profit; would you concur?
Yes, I DEFINITELY think that's where the "wealth" comes-from!! My neighbor that I was telling you about, that's dripping in gold----her baby daddy drives a Jaguar!! NOBODY, in this neighborhood, drives a Jag, unless they've got a hustle, of SOME kind----and, drugs are the ONLY thing that could provide for that, IMO. The way *I* look at it, is if he was doing something legit, then why wouldn't he get his girlfriend / family, in a better place. As it is, they're living in a possible 8 or 900+ dollar apartment, and only paying, maybe, 100 dollars, for it----so, why pay more, if you don't have to!
Do you see more evidence of drug use in your neighborhood that weren't evident many years ago???
Ummm, I don't actually SEE drug use----I only SMELL it, when it seeps-into my apartment, from another's apartment. It's absolute MURDER smelling ANY of that stuff (Aspie sensory issues, of course). My neighbor, downstairs, smokes pot, a few times a week, and that REALLY makes me angry----it's like somebody breaking into my house, and stealing something, to me, on the days I wake-up and my house REEKS of the stuff, because one should be able to have control over what comes into their house. Crack is just as bad----at least, that's what I THINK it was, the times that I've smelled it. I had to search on the internet about it (I've never done street drugs, not even pot, so I didn't know certain stuff----my eldest sister would shoot, pop, smoke, drink anything you'd give her, so I learned SOME tidbits, from her).
I see drug DEALING, though----and, I would say it goes in waves. For awhile, it'll be quite prevalent; then, the cops'll drive everybody out; then, there'll be another wave, and so-on. A gas station, not far from here, was recently raided / closed-down, cuz there was all kinds of crime, up there----drugs, people gettin' murdered, and stuff.....
I'd say it's been pretty steady / regular, all these years, downtown----with exceptional occurrences, sometimes.
Can you move?
Oh, my, no. It takes, what is to ME, a small mint, to do that----I don't have any friends or family (well, no family in the area, and no friends, AT ALL).
Hi Cat:
What are the major changes since Columbine? Some schools have taken security measures? More hyteria about guns?
What are the major changes since 9/11? Anger at Muslims? I think that was the point, no matter your theory.
You say: ...that was FORTY years, ago (I'm talking about your working with the black men, now)...
No, but close....it's 50+ and counting. And in those days there was no major drug problem, pot and a little heroin.
BUT THEN in the early '80s you had THIS:
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CIA involvement in Contra cocaine trafficking (go look it all up if you wish.) The CIA helped push cocaine into the ghettos....soon after came crack. (As far as I know the CIA introduced this as well).
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THIS is what brought drugs to the ghetto and ruined any chance these people had. Blame the responsible parties for shoving this scourge down these poor people's throats, not the stupid dupes that welcomed it.
You shouldn't be so jealous just because someone has scored a Cadillac, how they did is none of your business; think of all the problems this will cause them in the future as well.
50 years ago (before the CIA debacle) there was no drug problem...yes there was crime, but not the gangs (although there were gangs then) that you see now with automatic weapons. It was more laid back.....until King was assassinated....that started the ball rolling downhill. (Maybe another CIA plot?)
And you're in the middle of it.
I'm so sorry.
13 Jul 2016, 1:09 pm
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