this is how much the american dream costs, not many can pay

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who here can afford the american dream?
I can with ease. :star: 27%  27%  [ 4 ]
I can, barely. :| 7%  7%  [ 1 ]
I cannot afford it ever :( 13%  13%  [ 2 ]
what's the American dream again? :? 20%  20%  [ 3 ]
just gimme the @#$% ice cream! :x 33%  33%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 15

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16 Aug 2016, 5:34 am

(clicky)new report says that the only people who can afford the American dream, as of 2016, are people who make more than $42G per year.
how many here can afford the American dream? i'm still not sure what exactly it is, other than being rich. i'm not there, although I surely know people who are [and somewhat smugly so, I might add :roll: ].



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16 Aug 2016, 6:51 am

"It's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it." - George Carlin


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16 Aug 2016, 8:25 am

I cannot afford the american dream. I've been sitting under the poverty line for the bulk of my life.

Yeah, I do not know what the american dream is either. I don't know about you, but I am content with a roof over my head and enough food in my cupboards to make a sammich if I want one :P

The idea of having a lot of money freaks me out anyway.


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16 Aug 2016, 9:42 am

If that's the dream, I got it baby.



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16 Aug 2016, 11:11 am

"The American Dream" is crock of s**t. The sooner everyone realizes this, the better off we'll be.


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17 Aug 2016, 4:04 am

I think the commonwealth dream or the northern european dream are at least as good in terms of upward social mobility.



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17 Aug 2016, 8:26 am

It's not about buying something. It's about building a foundation so your kids can do better than you. Maybe you only live in a small apartment saving for their college education.



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17 Aug 2016, 10:20 am

How exactly do they define "The American Dream"?


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17 Aug 2016, 10:24 am

They added up the costs of owning a home, car, and paying for food/entertainment for a family of four.



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17 Aug 2016, 10:44 am

That's not the American Dream as I understand it. I wrote a paper on this in college. It's about upward mobility. It's like an immigrant driving a taxi, saving money for their kid's education, their kids become doctors and the family joins the middle class. The property is just incidental.



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17 Aug 2016, 11:46 am

AspE wrote:
That's not the American Dream as I understand it. I wrote a paper on this in college. It's about upward mobility. It's like an immigrant driving a taxi, saving money for their kid's education, their kids become doctors and the family joins the middle class. The property is just incidental.


And yet this has become less and less possible in recent decades, to the point where it's a pipe dream for most.


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17 Aug 2016, 3:57 pm

auntblabby wrote:
I think the commonwealth dream or the northern european dream are at least as good in terms of upward social mobility.



I agree, at least in terms of the Commonwealth. Some medium social stability should come out of the scorn that blinds us now. I know my dreams haven't changed, and I hope some people are still unchanged by their life's work.



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17 Aug 2016, 4:56 pm

AJisHere wrote:
AspE wrote:
That's not the American Dream as I understand it. I wrote a paper on this in college. It's about upward mobility. It's like an immigrant driving a taxi, saving money for their kid's education, their kids become doctors and the family joins the middle class. The property is just incidental.


And yet this has become less and less possible in recent decades, to the point where it's a pipe dream for most.

That's why it's called the American Dream, not the American Five Year Plan.



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17 Aug 2016, 5:16 pm

I wonder if price ceilings would help the dream be realized for many. I think inflation is one of the main culprits, as well as home hyper-appreciation rates.


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17 Aug 2016, 6:34 pm

The American Dream is a home, car and a well entertained family of four?

I thought it was becoming whatever you wanted to be, including rich.
THIS American dream sounds better realized in Europe, where the tap water is drinkable and consumer safety is higher.
But it's ver very hard to become a disruptive tech billionaire, a black president, or a hollywood star here.
In Europe, we don't have dreams, we have social security, high taxes and free education.
If that's what Americans are dreaming of, ... You're invited to come over.
But listen, the self-driving car won't be a European invention.


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17 Aug 2016, 8:16 pm

I want a mansion with servants, and a garage full of cars I admire but never drive.