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02 Apr 2017, 7:51 am

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I would consider that different. Most people cannot exercise off or diet off a mental illness.
Sorry if I rambled.


Well considering so many people are fat and so many can't seem to lose the weight long term, do you really think it's that simple?

I also find it interesting that no one responded to my first post in which I explain why I am overweight, you think I am the exeption? Do you know how many people take prednisone/have thyriod issues/hormone disorders/mental illness or other reasons why they are fat?


I might be exeptional because I have all four (and don't worry I already pay a higher insurance fee because of that) but you seem to think every fat person is the same. I can't blame you because this stereotype is perpetuated by the media and maybe your mom does chronically overeat but it's just not true that the majority of overweight people can just diet it off without any other problems.

I am not saying that it is that simple. I am saying that there are steps a person can take to no longer be obese, but there are not steps to cure a mental illness.

I personally advocate for schools and workplaces to encourage exercise. For communities that lack access to healthy food to have help growing their own. I also advocate weight loss and healthier living by offering cheaper insurance for people losing weight. I also advocate for more paths between area.



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02 Apr 2017, 8:44 am

BettaPonic wrote:
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I would consider that different. Most people cannot exercise off or diet off a mental illness.
Sorry if I rambled.


Well considering so many people are fat and so many can't seem to lose the weight long term, do you really think it's that simple?

I also find it interesting that no one responded to my first post in which I explain why I am overweight, you think I am the exeption? Do you know how many people take prednisone/have thyriod issues/hormone disorders/mental illness or other reasons why they are fat?


I might be exeptional because I have all four (and don't worry I already pay a higher insurance fee because of that) but you seem to think every fat person is the same. I can't blame you because this stereotype is perpetuated by the media and maybe your mom does chronically overeat but it's just not true that the majority of overweight people can just diet it off without any other problems.

I am not saying that it is that simple. I am saying that there are steps a person can take to no longer be obese, but there are not steps to cure a mental illness.

I personally advocate for schools and workplaces to encourage exercise. For communities that lack access to healthy food to have help growing their own. I also advocate weight loss and healthier living by offering cheaper insurance for people losing weight. I also advocate for more paths between area.


Ok so you're just repeating yourself and not answering my posts again. Alright, I will stop engaging you.


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02 Apr 2017, 8:51 am

Windigo wrote:
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Windigo wrote:
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I would consider that different. Most people cannot exercise off or diet off a mental illness.
Sorry if I rambled.


Well considering so many people are fat and so many can't seem to lose the weight long term, do you really think it's that simple?

I also find it interesting that no one responded to my first post in which I explain why I am overweight, you think I am the exeption? Do you know how many people take prednisone/have thyriod issues/hormone disorders/mental illness or other reasons why they are fat?


I might be exeptional because I have all four (and don't worry I already pay a higher insurance fee because of that) but you seem to think every fat person is the same. I can't blame you because this stereotype is perpetuated by the media and maybe your mom does chronically overeat but it's just not true that the majority of overweight people can just diet it off without any other problems.

I am not saying that it is that simple. I am saying that there are steps a person can take to no longer be obese, but there are not steps to cure a mental illness.

I personally advocate for schools and workplaces to encourage exercise. For communities that lack access to healthy food to have help growing their own. I also advocate weight loss and healthier living by offering cheaper insurance for people losing weight. I also advocate for more paths between area.


Ok so you're just repeating yourself and not answering my posts again. Alright, I will stop engaging you.


I am answering you. I think the obesity epidemic is a part of a larger system. I think changing the system can stop it. I do not think for the most part fat people get fat because a lack of character. I think society is built in a way that is encourages obesity. I am sharing how I think fixing the system will fix the problem.
I know even the weirdest thing such as house temp can increase your odds of obesity.



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02 Apr 2017, 12:52 pm

Years ago, just before I got married, I had had a job operating a spot welder, in which I'd sit all day, and only more my hands and my foot to work the pedal. Already overweight, I ballooned up to almost 350 lbs. I only started losing weight when my job got cut.


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02 Apr 2017, 1:23 pm

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Years ago, just before I got married, I had had a job operating a spot welder, in which I'd sit all day, and only more my hands and my foot to work the pedal. Already overweight, I ballooned up to almost 350 lbs. I only started losing weight when my job got cut.


Hope you are doing better. Sounds like an interesting job.



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02 Apr 2017, 1:42 pm

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Years ago, just before I got married, I had had a job operating a spot welder, in which I'd sit all day, and only more my hands and my foot to work the pedal. Already overweight, I ballooned up to almost 350 lbs. I only started losing weight when my job got cut.


Hope you are doing better. Sounds like an interesting job.


It wasn't all that interesting. Sometimes on the job, I'd get lost in my own thoughts - once I was even caught thinking out loud while spot welding parts together! But most of the time, my brain would just turn off with the repetitiveness.
While I'm nowhere near being rail thin these days, neither am I that obese.


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02 Apr 2017, 2:10 pm

Looked over the posts so far. Very interesting comments. Would like to throw something into the mix more controversial. What if humans were, biologically speaking, most adapted to a whole foods plant diet? Doubt that? Then is the cause of the obesity epidemic in the US the type of food we eat (SAD, Standard American Diet full of empty carbs, meat and dairy), or how much excericise we get? I lost 100 lbs doing no extra excercise at all, and I _love_ my body image now, so I have my serious doubts.

Look, this is a hard one. Your whole life you have probably been told eating meat is part of a normal "balanced diet". Those societal fixed ideas are kind of a pervasive mental framework that is hard to get around. Consider this trope of a question, "where do Vegans get protein?" answer: same place cows do, from plants. Did you know that? It is true. If I did not get you with that one, trust me, there are other examples where the average 'wisdom' falls on its face when confronted with the facts.

What does the science say though? Check it for yourself. Who are the most scientific in their approach to what the human diet actually is. I found out, quite to my own surprise, that it was the Vegan Drs. who consistently showed the most scientific accumen. These Drs. didn't just preach either, they were all lean and healthy and doing it themselves. The movement is growing too because truth beats out falsity, given enough time.

So, here is the hard time I have about Fat Acceptance Movement. It is a disease. Even being a little overweight increases your mortality and morbidity. It is completely preventable using a plant-strong diet. This acceptance of a disease state because it is so common and misunderstood does not make it right. Link in the Environment and it gets worse. Add in that non-human animals are suffering daily only so that others can get a fix off of the substance of their choice {ice cream, steaks, veal, etc, etc.}; Can you see why Vegans are so annoyed sometimes???

So please, have a Positive Body Image. don't buy in to societies crap. Hairy shoulders/back, wide face, lanky, ... ? Cool, you are beautiful. Overweight, I am sorry, that is not normal. There is no need for you and those you affect to continue suffering. Just please stop and consider all the possibilities. That is fair right. Do your homework as they say.

BTW, I feel great on a Vegan Diet. That is what you will hear, over and over again, too. In fact, I am 41 and I feel better now than when I was 19. Did I work my ass of for it in the gym? Nope. :)


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02 Apr 2017, 2:23 pm

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Meat tastes better than veggies. For me, that's case closed.


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02 Apr 2017, 3:33 pm

Meat tastes better than Veggies huh? Love it (I have heard this defense a million times, it is not rational). Crack cocaine is great too, but it is an addiction. Just because you enjoy something does not mean it is right. The meat you eat is causing you to be fatter with one foot closer to the grave, just like with crack or meth. Nice try :) Get veducated. Addiction is not a joke.

Respectfully, you don't know anything from the sounds of it. Perhaps you just want to have an excuse to carry on with your negative habits. Sorry, I don't accept your logic and hope that everyone can come around on this one, because it is so important to our group survival.

If you question my facts, fine, lets discuss and debate them. If you question my ethical reasoning, cool, let's dicuss. Handwaving away reality with some seemingly pithy comment is less than honest though. Saddly, it is a maladaptive self-serving misuse of belief in the face of contrary evidence.

Until your taste-buds change when you go off meat, you will not understand how good veggies really can be. Especially how good fruit can be. Your missing out man! And am I missing out. I get to have vegan icecream and vegan cookies, hell, even vegan cheese-burgers that has been reported as tasting better than the real thing (ok, less juicy, big woop, still pretty juicy). Your taste-buds are probably so drenched in fat and salt all day you have no idea what it is like to really experience the tastes you are deriding.

Thanks for falling for a common idea. It makes arguing for this position so much easier.


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02 Apr 2017, 3:52 pm

tensordyne wrote:
Looked over the posts so far. Very interesting comments. Would like to throw something into the mix more controversial. What if humans were, biologically speaking, most adapted to a whole foods plant diet? Doubt that? Then is the cause of the obesity epidemic in the US the type of food we eat (SAD, Standard American Diet full of empty carbs, meat and dairy), or how much excericise we get? I lost 100 lbs doing no extra excercise at all, and I _love_ my body image now, so I have my serious doubts.

Look, this is a hard one. Your whole life you have probably been told eating meat is part of a normal "balanced diet". Those societal fixed ideas are kind of a pervasive mental framework that is hard to get around. Consider this trope of a question, "where do Vegans get protein?" answer: same place cows do, from plants. Did you know that? It is true. If I did not get you with that one, trust me, there are other examples where the average 'wisdom' falls on its face when confronted with the facts.

What does the science say though? Check it for yourself. Who are the most scientific in their approach to what the human diet actually is. I found out, quite to my own surprise, that it was the Vegan Drs. who consistently showed the most scientific accumen. These Drs. didn't just preach either, they were all lean and healthy and doing it themselves. The movement is growing too because truth beats out falsity, given enough time.

So, here is the hard time I have about Fat Acceptance Movement. It is a disease. Even being a little overweight increases your mortality and morbidity. It is completely preventable using a plant-strong diet. This acceptance of a disease state because it is so common and misunderstood does not make it right. Link in the Environment and it gets worse. Add in that non-human animals are suffering daily only so that others can get a fix off of the substance of their choice {ice cream, steaks, veal, etc, etc.}; Can you see why Vegans are so annoyed sometimes???

So please, have a Positive Body Image. don't buy in to societies crap. Hairy shoulders/back, wide face, lanky, ... ? Cool, you are beautiful. Overweight, I am sorry, that is not normal. There is no need for you and those you affect to continue suffering. Just please stop and consider all the possibilities. That is fair right. Do your homework as they say.

BTW, I feel great on a Vegan Diet. That is what you will hear, over and over again, too. In fact, I am 41 and I feel better now than when I was 19. Did I work my ass of for it in the gym? Nope. :)



So you think everyone is supposed to be skinny? Its not particularly abnormal to be a bit overweight...I mean I don't think I am some freak of nature because I tend towards underweight, so I don't think that about people who tend towards being overweight. Now severe or morbid obesity that is obviously a health issue and risk but if you see anyone who's even a little bit overweight as having some huge health problem than you're being kind of nit-picky.

As for veganism I wont knock it, nothing wrong with that....but yeah I've tried vegan meat replacements, all of them are gross to me. If I am going to eat something that doesn't contain meat I prefer it isn't made to imitate meat...like lentil soup or beans and bread. But yeah I like veggies, fruit, beans and such however I don't see how I could get enough to eat with entirely cutting meat out. Also doesn't vegan-ism include not eating dairy as well,so like no cheese, no yougurt, no alfredo sauce ect? or is that for vegetarians.


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02 Apr 2017, 4:03 pm

Someone has recently asked me to choose between two, false alternatives.

She said she was infatuated, physically, with a skinny person, too palsied, to stand on a city bus.

They pressured the bus driver, to relieve the fat person of his seat. She was also somewhat phobic of fat and made her biases clear.

I answered that I had never offered to provide transportation to either person, at my expense.

But, if it is ok to create odious, public debts, without consideration, there can be many buses, which come with rotisseries and soda dispensers.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=953PkxFNiko
Fat woman serves booze and trays of pastries, to fat men, implying low, social status. Also, in museum paintings, as a classical sign of luxury.

I have always been physically-strong, good at growing and foraging, but lost, now, over 10 inches and 50lbs, by substituting state-subsidized, bulk foods, for the less-processed ones. I have not increased my physical activity or reduced calories. I eat all I want. This is another contrived war on (fill in the blank), in which the govt plays both sides.

But, if I was forced to choose only I one, I would rather of die of diabetes, in a bed, than in the Holodomor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

I am in interested in urban permaculture, have raised 15 peach and nectarine trees, with different colored fruit, from seeds. I have twisted-off most of the immature fruit, by hand, so the few remaining will be huge. Which peach would you rather be?

As well as making you fat, govt can punish the farmer for being too productive. Some Ethiopians were good at this, too. Their produce was burned, in the open, and they were shot. (Under the theory of original accumulation, food can be used to subvert and own your fellow man. So, having too much is seditious.) Food is a good thing, prestigious enough to be stolen.

Any who are immigrants or first generation, will have strong opinions about this.



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02 Apr 2017, 4:07 pm

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Meat tastes better than Veggies huh? Love it (I have heard this defense a million times, it is not rational). Crack cocaine is great too, but it is an addiction. Just because you enjoy something does not mean it is right. The meat you eat is causing you to be fatter with one foot closer to the grave, just like with crack or meth. Nice try :) Get veducated. Addiction is not a joke.

Respectfully, you don't know anything from the sounds of it. Perhaps you just want to have an excuse to carry on with your negative habits. Sorry, I don't accept your logic and hope that everyone can come around on this one, because it is so important to our group survival.

If you question my facts, fine, lets discuss and debate them. If you question my ethical reasoning, cool, let's dicuss. Handwaving away reality with some seemingly pithy comment is less than honest though. Saddly, it is a maladaptive self-serving misuse of belief in the face of contrary evidence.

Until your taste-buds change when you go off meat, you will not understand how good veggies really can be. Especially how good fruit can be. Your missing out man! And am I missing out. I get to have vegan icecream and vegan cookies, hell, even vegan cheese-burgers that has been reported as tasting better than the real thing (ok, less juicy, big woop, still pretty juicy). Your taste-buds are probably so drenched in fat and salt all day you have no idea what it is like to really experience the tastes you are deriding.

Thanks for falling for a common idea. It makes arguing for this position so much easier.

What is your opinion on chicken?



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02 Apr 2017, 4:50 pm

The govt had apparently issued cookbooks, with 'recommended daily allowances', like in our health-and-nutrition classes, during the Ukrainian, Soviet-caused famine . I have decided not to post pictures, but, maybe, a more accurate choice, would be between chickens and dogs. I feel that it's better to have the option to be fat -- so fat, that you are grown into a bed -- but not to exercise that option.

Uncommonly-attractive people have also been persecuted -- like in monster movies -- assuming that we all have to be the same, in terms of status.

Conspicuously-fat people are probably, differently-abled, and, like gender and racial minorities, use all the normal words about themselves. I am not at all offended by open discussion, but don't think anybody needs to bring it to their attention.



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02 Apr 2017, 5:24 pm

tensordyne wrote:
Meat tastes better than Veggies huh? Love it (I have heard this defense a million times, it is not rational). Crack cocaine is great too, but it is an addiction. Just because you enjoy something does not mean it is right. The meat you eat is causing you to be fatter with one foot closer to the grave, just like with crack or meth. Nice try :) Get veducated. Addiction is not a joke.

Respectfully, you don't know anything from the sounds of it. Perhaps you just want to have an excuse to carry on with your negative habits. Sorry, I don't accept your logic and hope that everyone can come around on this one, because it is so important to our group survival.

If you question my facts, fine, lets discuss and debate them. If you question my ethical reasoning, cool, let's dicuss. Handwaving away reality with some seemingly pithy comment is less than honest though. Saddly, it is a maladaptive self-serving misuse of belief in the face of contrary evidence.

Until your taste-buds change when you go off meat, you will not understand how good veggies really can be. Especially how good fruit can be. Your missing out man! And am I missing out. I get to have vegan icecream and vegan cookies, hell, even vegan cheese-burgers that has been reported as tasting better than the real thing (ok, less juicy, big woop, still pretty juicy). Your taste-buds are probably so drenched in fat and salt all day you have no idea what it is like to really experience the tastes you are deriding.

Thanks for falling for a common idea. It makes arguing for this position so much easier.


No, meat just tastes better to me.


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02 Apr 2017, 5:26 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
tensordyne wrote:
Meat tastes better than Veggies huh? Love it (I have heard this defense a million times, it is not rational). Crack cocaine is great too, but it is an addiction. Just because you enjoy something does not mean it is right. The meat you eat is causing you to be fatter with one foot closer to the grave, just like with crack or meth. Nice try :) Get veducated. Addiction is not a joke.

Respectfully, you don't know anything from the sounds of it. Perhaps you just want to have an excuse to carry on with your negative habits. Sorry, I don't accept your logic and hope that everyone can come around on this one, because it is so important to our group survival.

If you question my facts, fine, lets discuss and debate them. If you question my ethical reasoning, cool, let's dicuss. Handwaving away reality with some seemingly pithy comment is less than honest though. Saddly, it is a maladaptive self-serving misuse of belief in the face of contrary evidence.

Until your taste-buds change when you go off meat, you will not understand how good veggies really can be. Especially how good fruit can be. Your missing out man! And am I missing out. I get to have vegan icecream and vegan cookies, hell, even vegan cheese-burgers that has been reported as tasting better than the real thing (ok, less juicy, big woop, still pretty juicy). Your taste-buds are probably so drenched in fat and salt all day you have no idea what it is like to really experience the tastes you are deriding.

Thanks for falling for a common idea. It makes arguing for this position so much easier.


No, meat just tastes better to me.

What is your favorite meat? Mine is chicken.