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22 Jun 2017, 6:15 pm

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Do you know the origin of the word racism? In Russia, Communism was considered a foreign interest. So, they accused dissenters of racism. Racism is a comparatively-new word.

Tribalism and familiarity are as natural as any herd or hive of animals. I expect people to favor their own. Other people, too. I, for one, asked inappropriate questions, in the second grade, before any of my relatives opened-up about that. It was left up to me, to decide. My parents were then, and still are, adamant liberals. Adamant. :roll:

This was not a product of my upbringing.

Rand called it objectivism. Are you not?

As for a struggle session, it is mainly intended to shame a person, publicly, and wear him down. You know I stand by my beliefs. Were you sincerely curious, and intending to learn something? Or, was it a grand stand.

I'm not going by the Russian definition of racism.
Sure, we might have a natural instinct to stick with our own. But we aren't just dumb animals; we can overcome our prejudices. After all, a society that stays within it's own genepool stagnates. Hybrid vigour is a very real, provable thing.
I don't put much stock into any of that hateful old bat's ideas.
Of course I'll listen to any idea. But that doesn't mean I have to accept them.

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22 Jun 2017, 6:23 pm

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Ah so to avoid the chance of becoming allied with neo-nazis and the kkk, I should avoid becoming a conservative like the plague, correct?

I don't think anyone is going to change the way you are conditioned. It's just a question of accepting how the world really is. You can keep being who you are.

For instance Trump's father was an "active" member of the KKK. While Trump may not share the same doctrinal beliefs it's quite clear he has inherited at least some of his father's conservative values toward minority groups. No amount of left wing protesting is ever going to change Donald Trump's social views.The safest course of action with a cancerous tumor is to remove it (in case you read into the metaphor I'm only saying Trump leave politics and go back to real estate and under-aged beauty pageants).

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22 Jun 2017, 6:34 pm

It's really not good to attribute the sins of the father to the son.

It's like passing debts from father to son, or from mother to daughter, or whatever.

I believe Trump is many things. He is the Second Coming of Bozo.

But I don't believe he is a white supremacist or anything. He's a businessman, who believes in dog-eat-dog.

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22 Jun 2017, 6:38 pm

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Lets face it, most of us "left wingers" haven't inherited our parents more conservative views on the church. gays or other minorities. I was pointing out that Trump is no different and he is his own person. However it's also naive to not expect some influence of his father's values in Trump's social outlook, it's self-evident no?

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22 Jun 2017, 6:41 pm

It's possible. But who really knows?

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22 Jun 2017, 9:41 pm

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EzraS wrote:

Ah so to avoid the chance of becoming allied with neo-nazis and the kkk, I should avoid becoming a conservative like the plague, correct?

WHAT’S TRUE: A 1 June 1927 New York Times article named Fred Trump among individuals arrested after a “near-riot” involving the KKK and New York City policemen at a “Memorial parade.”

WHAT’S FALSE/UNDETERMINED: Fred Trump was a KKK member or supporter; Fred Trump was charged with a crime in connection with the KKK event.

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-father-kkk-1927/

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22 Jun 2017, 11:48 pm

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Ah so to avoid the chance of becoming allied with neo-nazis and the kkk, I should avoid becoming a conservative like the plague, correct?

Fred Trump may not have been a member of the KKK when arrested during a riot that organization had caused, just as Joseph Stalin may not have been behind the purges in the Soviet Union... however unlikely that would appear for those who traffick in reality.

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24 Jun 2017, 11:19 am

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Do you know the origin of the word racism? In Russia, Communism was considered a foreign interest. So, they accused dissenters of racism. Racism is a comparatively-new word.

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I'm not going by the Russian definition of racism.

There is an assumption that cultural and fiscal conservatives are biased, automatically, against other races.

There is nothing hateful or sadistic about saying that charity starts at home.

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24 Jun 2017, 11:28 am

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There is a contentious claim, in which Margaret Sanger lectures women of the Klan.

The KKK was originally a Democratic institution, btw, Lincoln being a Republican, who at least pandered to black people.

Democrats believed that blacks were weeds and just used to undermine labor.

So, which political wing should be more concerned about Klan affiliation.

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24 Jun 2017, 1:51 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:

Do you know the origin of the word racism? In Russia, Communism was considered a foreign interest. So, they accused dissenters of racism. Racism is a comparatively-new word.

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I'm not going by the Russian definition of racism.

There is an assumption that cultural and fiscal conservatives are biased, automatically, against other races.

There is nothing hateful or sadistic about saying that charity starts at home.

No, conservatives under Nixon and Reagan had opened their doors to racists in order to garner more votes. Those racists have now taken control of the GOP in many cases.
Charity starts wherever there is a need for it, and someone is willing to help.

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24 Jun 2017, 1:56 pm

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The Klan was originally a southern Democratic institution. Since the Democratic party had supported civil rights in modern times, more and more of those white southern Klansmen had jumped ship and gone over to the Republicans, when first Nixon, then Reagan, had extended an invitation to them.

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24 Jun 2017, 6:10 pm

The welfare state is never, ever going to give you enough of a lead, to lift you out of poverty, short of gaming the system as a commissar or champagne socialist.

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25 Jun 2017, 12:22 am

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The welfare state is never, ever going to give you enough of a lead, to lift you out of poverty, short of gaming the system as a commissar or champagne socialist.

And yet, there are people who have been on public assistance, and have lifted themselves out of poverty.

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25 Jun 2017, 10:42 am

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short of gaming the system as a commissar or champagne socialist.

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25 Jun 2017, 2:41 pm

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short of gaming the system as a commissar or champagne socialist.

(Sigh) No. A friend's ex wife had risen out of welfare by using government funds to return to college. She graduated with a business degree, and is now middle class. So, no gaming the system, or becoming a socialist.

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26 Jun 2017, 2:14 am

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friedmacguffins wrote:

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short of gaming the system as a commissar or champagne socialist.

Ahh Kraichgauer, in conservative "fantasy world" one mustn't say the word "welfare" as only women who have a rich daddy are worthy of the hallowed halls of higher education.

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