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17 Aug 2017, 8:07 pm

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These actions smack way too much of ethnic cleansing..

Okay, just to be sure I got your meaning.....

Do you mean they shouldn't be trying to erase the Confederate "ethnicity", from everywhere?


The point is that the Confederacy was and is a part of American history, whether we like it or not. To destroy that ignoble part of our history would, like Disraeli said, we are doomed to repeating same mistakes (as if we aren't doing so now.)

There's acknowledging bad parts of one's heritage and then there's promoting them, confederate monuments (lower case, they were never an officially recognized country) falls into the later. No country in the history of the world has ever allowed the flag of sedition to fly in it's own country, nor monuments for the traitors partaking in said sedition...except for this one, and there's a reason for that: it prevents closure and the society from moving forward, and here we are 150 years later...



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17 Aug 2017, 8:08 pm

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I'd make a snide comment about your avatar, but I'd be banned for doing so.


Quasimodo and Anderson Cooper were more appealing to look at.



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17 Aug 2017, 8:11 pm

Well, Lincoln was assassinated by a Democrat, so . . .

Abraham Lincoln monument torched in Chicago: ‘An absolute disgraceful act’

Abraham Lincoln has joined George Washington on the list of those targeted by Chicagoans in a national debate over Civil War-era monuments.

Alderman Raymond Lopez took to Facebook Wednesday night to decry a defaced statue of the nation’s 16th president in the Englewood neighborhood. The giant bust appears to have been damaged after someone in the 15th Ward sprayed and ignited a flammable liquid.

“What an absolute disgraceful act of vandalism. This bust of Abraham Lincoln, erected by Phil Bloomquist on August 31, 1926, was damaged & burned,” Mr. Lopez wrote, a local NBC affiliate reported. “If anyone has any information regarding this act, please contact the police or my office immediately.”

“F- Abe Lincoln,” responded Quintin Mitchell, whose comment was “liked” or deemed “funny” by 160 others.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... go-an-abs/


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17 Aug 2017, 8:14 pm

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Seems like the antifa thugs are just fine with slavery -- as long as it's Communist slavery, as in North Korea.

Woman Who Destroyed Durham Confederate Statue Is A Pro-North Korea Marxist

One of the activists who toppled a Confederate statue in Durham, N.C., on Monday night is a member of an extreme leftist group that supports the totalitarian regime in North Korea and wants to abolish capitalism.

Taqiyah Thompson, a student at North Carolina Central University, was arrested Tuesday following a press conference in which she defended the actions of the demonstrators and equated police officers to Confederate soldiers and Ku Klux Klan members.

“I did the right thing,” she said. “Everyone who was there — the people did the right thing. The people will continue to keep making the right choices until every Confederate statue is gone, until white supremacy is gone. That statue is where it belongs. It needs to be in the garbage.”

Thompson is a member of the Worker’s World Party (WWP), a revolutionary Marxist-Leninist group originally formed in 1959 as a hard-line offshoot of the more moderate Socialist Workers Party. In addition to supporting a wide range of far-left causes, the group also defends the North Korean regime of dictator Kim Jong-un against alleged U.S. imperialism.


http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/woman ... a-marxist/


She was only one person who toppled the statue. Where's the proof that the rest were as insane as her? Again, there's no moral equivalency between the Alt Right and the counter protesters.


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17 Aug 2017, 8:15 pm

rick sanchez wrote:
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These actions smack way too much of ethnic cleansing..

Okay, just to be sure I got your meaning.....

Do you mean they shouldn't be trying to erase the Confederate "ethnicity", from everywhere?


The point is that the Confederacy was and is a part of American history, whether we like it or not. To destroy that ignoble part of our history would, like Disraeli said, we are doomed to repeating same mistakes (as if we aren't doing so now.)



No! You made the comparison to ethnic cleansing, now quit evading the f*****g question.

What ethinicity is being cleansed?


If you're too f!cking stupid to figure out the analogy for yourself, then I'm too f!cking stupid to explain it to you!

Stick a fork in it. I'm done with this thread!



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17 Aug 2017, 8:31 pm

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Well, Lincoln was assassinated by a Democrat, so . . .

Abraham Lincoln monument torched in Chicago: ‘An absolute disgraceful act’

Abraham Lincoln has joined George Washington on the list of those targeted by Chicagoans in a national debate over Civil War-era monuments.

Alderman Raymond Lopez took to Facebook Wednesday night to decry a defaced statue of the nation’s 16th president in the Englewood neighborhood. The giant bust appears to have been damaged after someone in the 15th Ward sprayed and ignited a flammable liquid.

“What an absolute disgraceful act of vandalism. This bust of Abraham Lincoln, erected by Phil Bloomquist on August 31, 1926, was damaged & burned,” Mr. Lopez wrote, a local NBC affiliate reported. “If anyone has any information regarding this act, please contact the police or my office immediately.”

“F- Abe Lincoln,” responded Quintin Mitchell, whose comment was “liked” or deemed “funny” by 160 others.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... go-an-abs/


If John Wilkes Boothe lived today, he certainly wouldn't be a Democrat. In fact a few years ago, a jackass radio talk show host calling himself the Southern Avenger, whose trademark was wearing a wrestling mask in public (no, he wasn't five years old - - well, that's probably his mental age) had celebrated Lincoln's murder on the air. This idiot is a conservative libertarian, and buddy of Rand Paul.


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17 Aug 2017, 8:42 pm

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Well, Lincoln was assassinated by a Democrat, so . . .

Abraham Lincoln monument torched in Chicago: ‘An absolute disgraceful act’

Abraham Lincoln has joined George Washington on the list of those targeted by Chicagoans in a national debate over Civil War-era monuments.

Alderman Raymond Lopez took to Facebook Wednesday night to decry a defaced statue of the nation’s 16th president in the Englewood neighborhood. The giant bust appears to have been damaged after someone in the 15th Ward sprayed and ignited a flammable liquid.

“What an absolute disgraceful act of vandalism. This bust of Abraham Lincoln, erected by Phil Bloomquist on August 31, 1926, was damaged & burned,” Mr. Lopez wrote, a local NBC affiliate reported. “If anyone has any information regarding this act, please contact the police or my office immediately.”

“F- Abe Lincoln,” responded Quintin Mitchell, whose comment was “liked” or deemed “funny” by 160 others.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... go-an-abs/

Speaking of Democrats assassinating Republicans (like the Bernie-bro who attempted mass murder on a group of Republican congressmen a few days ago): Here's Missouri Democrat State Senator Maria Chappelle-Nadal:

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17 Aug 2017, 8:49 pm

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There's acknowledging bad parts of one's heritage and then there's promoting them, confederate monuments (lower case, they were never an officially recognized country) falls into the later. No country in the history of the world has ever allowed the flag of sedition to fly in it's own country, nor monuments for the traitors partaking in said sedition...except for this one, and there's a reason for that: it prevents closure and the society from moving forward, and here we are 150 years later...

What if it's merely because no one has an Amendment, like our first one?





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17 Aug 2017, 9:05 pm

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Speaking of Democrats assassinating Republicans (like the Bernie-bro who attempted mass murder on a group of Republican congressmen a few days ago): Here's Missouri Democrat State Senator Maria Chappelle-Nadal: [img]

OMG!! Who wants to bet that absolutely NOTHING will be done about her tweet, cuz she's black, and everybody'll be afraid to say something, cuz they will think if they do, they'll be called a racist?







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17 Aug 2017, 9:12 pm

Maybe a statue of Robert E.Lee doesn't belong in a public park,but if someone wants one in their front yard,then it's their right,no matter how odious some find it.Of course the owner of the statue is going to pay hell for it every Halloween.


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17 Aug 2017, 9:23 pm

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There's acknowledging bad parts of one's heritage and then there's promoting them, confederate monuments (lower case, they were never an officially recognized country) falls into the later. No country in the history of the world has ever allowed the flag of sedition to fly in it's own country, nor monuments for the traitors partaking in said sedition...except for this one, and there's a reason for that: it prevents closure and the society from moving forward, and here we are 150 years later...

What if it's merely because no one has an Amendment, like our first one?


False, both Greece and Rome had 'freedom of speech' which differed in meaning depending on period, as does our own, and still neither group allowed symbols that were openly antagonistic towards their society because that's just plain stupid. Also, I'm not advocating the government get involved in any way, the public shaming campaign for the institutions that harbor confederate symbols seems to be doing the job very nicely, there are some things society rectifies on it's own without government intervention, this is one of those cases. And furthermore who's speech actually been hindered by all these participation trophies being taken down? No one, because they were the property of the local governments that had them removed, not private citizens.

Now, if you're referring to the antifa protesters at the rally let me ask you this: should ISIS be allowed to have a march down Charlotteville unhindered by counter protesters? Because with this issue from where I'm looking at that's what you're asking ME to accept, and truth be told confederate traitors killed a s**t ton more Americans than ISIS ever will. All that said, there was still no violation of the first amendment, because that contract states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Nowhere in that clause does the government make guarantees that your freedom of speech can't be disrupted by other people, protested, or even mocked, it just states that the government will not get involved.



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17 Aug 2017, 9:50 pm

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Maybe a statue of Robert E.Lee doesn't belong in a public park,but if someone wants one in their front yard,then it's their right,no matter how odious some find it.Of course the owner of the statue is going to pay hell for it every Halloween.

I don't see why it wouldn't belong in a public park. Statues if Lee and other Confederate generals have been around in public places for over 100 years. Are all statues to be banned from public parks? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. People need to toughen up a little and stop letting others tell them how to feel.


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17 Aug 2017, 10:16 pm

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Maybe a statue of Robert E.Lee doesn't belong in a public park,but if someone wants one in their front yard,then it's their right,no matter how odious some find it.Of course the owner of the statue is going to pay hell for it every Halloween.

I don't see why it wouldn't belong in a public park. Statues if Lee and other Confederate generals have been around in public places for over 100 years. Are all statues to be banned from public parks? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. People need to toughen up a little and stop letting others tell them how to feel.


That is a f*****g weak argument.

If you are going to use that the stop using your computer. It was good enough for your grandparents


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17 Aug 2017, 10:31 pm

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Maybe a statue of Robert E.Lee doesn't belong in a public park,but if someone wants one in their front yard,then it's their right,no matter how odious some find it.Of course the owner of the statue is going to pay hell for it every Halloween.

I don't see why it wouldn't belong in a public park. Statues if Lee and other Confederate generals have been around in public places for over 100 years. Are all statues to be banned from public parks? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. People need to toughen up a little and stop letting others tell them how to feel.


That is a f*****g weak argument.

Haven't seen you make one yet. Being obnoxious, trolling, and name calling isn't making an argument.

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If you are going to use that the stop using your computer.

Gonna make me stop?


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17 Aug 2017, 10:38 pm

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Maybe a statue of Robert E.Lee doesn't belong in a public park,but if someone wants one in their front yard,then it's their right,no matter how odious some find it.Of course the owner of the statue is going to pay hell for it every Halloween.

I don't see why it wouldn't belong in a public park. Statues if Lee and other Confederate generals have been around in public places for over 100 years. Are all statues to be banned from public parks? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. People need to toughen up a little and stop letting others tell them how to feel.

I believe most were put up during the Jim Crow era.Not sure ,but the one of Nathaniel Bedford Forrest in Memphis is in an area that is now predominately black.I don't think I'd want him in my neighborhood if I was black.Not like he was friendly toward black folk.
They probably need to be removed now anyway,for their own safety and to prevent the hapless being smashed by one getting yanked down.
Not like my county will have an issue with this.We didn't even have a statute on our courthouse lawn till a month ago.Now we have one,it's an elk.It's a poor replacement for all the old geezers that used to sit there and whittle.


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Maybe a statue of Robert E.Lee doesn't belong in a public park,but if someone wants one in their front yard,then it's their right,no matter how odious some find it.Of course the owner of the statue is going to pay hell for it every Halloween.

I don't see why it wouldn't belong in a public park. Statues if Lee and other Confederate generals have been around in public places for over 100 years. Are all statues to be banned from public parks? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. People need to toughen up a little and stop letting others tell them how to feel.

Nope, just the ones that honor traitors. And again confederate with a small c, they were never officially a country.