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17 Aug 2017, 8:46 am

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They interviewed a black lady, last night----when it was only thought, that they were VOTING on taking them, down----and she said that she thought that they should NOT be taken-down, cuz they're history, and that we should ensure that people are taught, about it. She is one of the smartest people whoever lived, IMO, because this is an issue that could have affected her, in a totally different way, but she chose to look at it, from another angle----and, I say "KUDOS, to her!!".

White liberals will dismiss her as being un-enlightened and insensitive to the plight of her own people.
Yeah, they really are that arrogant.

Yep, I hear ya----but, it absolutely AMAZES me that a white person would do that; and, if THAT'S not holdin' black people down / pushin' 'em back, I dunno what IS!! When some people talk, I can just imagine them standing there, beckoning black people t'ward them, with one hand, while holding-up the other, in a motion that indicates, "Stop!".

Every once-in-awhile, there'll be a "preacher" on a bus I'm riding----almost always a black man, "preaching" about "social stuff"..... One time, recently, there was one who was preaching about BLM----and, the gist of what he was saying, was that BLM doesn't matter to "them" (he said "SOME white people"), cuz it doesn't matter to US (black people); because, if it did, "we" (black people) wouldn't be out here, killin' each other. It was about all I could do, not to get-up and hug 'im, around his neck----cuz, it's people like HIM, who should be heralded----it's people like HIM who could do a WORLD of good, for his people----because he was giving them a way to escape the lies they've been told, and have chosen to believe / follow, and he was giving them an alternative "plan" / a way OUT..... If they'd only listen----if they'd only choose people like THAT, to be their leaders.....




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17 Aug 2017, 11:03 am

...I don't think they should be destroyed. However, I think they should be removed from public land. They were erected as racist symbols. (Perhaps pictureless memorials to
war dead could be kept on public land.) Private hands could take the statues and appropriately display them.









mpin_Cat"]Actually, it seems that only the OUTSIDE ones have been removed, at-this-point----and, that there are still INSIDE ones, in various government buildings.

http://www.wbaltv.com/article/crews-remove-confederate-statues-in-baltimore-overnight/12017831

WBAL-TV Baltimore wrote:
Crews started getting ready around midnight Tuesday. By 3 a.m., a crane hoisted the monument from its pedestal. By 3:45 a.m., the monument was transferred to a flatbed truck.
...
It was not immediately known where the monuments were going.
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Mayor Catherine Pugh has said that she has talked with contractors about logistics, contacted the Maryland Historical Trust for permissions and identified Confederate cemeteries to send some statues to.

This is just really sad to me----not only because these statues were erected, in the memory of lives lost; but, also, because they're ART, and I just don't think they should be destroyed (although, this article seems to suggest that it's POSSIBLE that the statues will be transferred to Confederate cemetaries, and I feel alot better, about that).

They interviewed a black lady, last night----when it was only thought, that they were VOTING on taking them, down----and she said that she thought that they should NOT be taken-down, cuz they're history, and that we should ensure that people are taught, about it. She is one of the smartest people whoever lived, IMO, because this is an issue that could have affected her, in a totally different way, but she chose to look at it, from another angle----and, I say "KUDOS, to her!!".

On the local news, this morning, they showed alot of people who were going to the various locations, and actually, like, "mourning" the loss.....[/quote]


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17 Aug 2017, 12:48 pm

What would happen if Christians worldwide declared that the Roman Colosseum was a symbol of their persecution and violently demanded it be torn down? It's already halfway there anyway.



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17 Aug 2017, 1:43 pm

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That's one-time Exalted Cyclops of the Ku Klux Klan Robert Byrd:

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Byrd recanted his hate, and became a public servant for all his constituents. With the exception of Longstreet, there's little evidence Tanney, or those other Confederates ever changed their views.


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17 Aug 2017, 5:42 pm

Seems like the antifa thugs are just fine with slavery -- as long as it's Communist slavery, as in North Korea.

Woman Who Destroyed Durham Confederate Statue Is A Pro-North Korea Marxist

One of the activists who toppled a Confederate statue in Durham, N.C., on Monday night is a member of an extreme leftist group that supports the totalitarian regime in North Korea and wants to abolish capitalism.

Taqiyah Thompson, a student at North Carolina Central University, was arrested Tuesday following a press conference in which she defended the actions of the demonstrators and equated police officers to Confederate soldiers and Ku Klux Klan members.

“I did the right thing,” she said. “Everyone who was there — the people did the right thing. The people will continue to keep making the right choices until every Confederate statue is gone, until white supremacy is gone. That statue is where it belongs. It needs to be in the garbage.”

Thompson is a member of the Worker’s World Party (WWP), a revolutionary Marxist-Leninist group originally formed in 1959 as a hard-line offshoot of the more moderate Socialist Workers Party. In addition to supporting a wide range of far-left causes, the group also defends the North Korean regime of dictator Kim Jong-un against alleged U.S. imperialism.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/woman ... a-marxist/


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17 Aug 2017, 5:56 pm

^ No surprises there...


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17 Aug 2017, 6:12 pm

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Actually, it seems that only the OUTSIDE ones have been removed, at-this-point----and, that there are still INSIDE ones, in various government buildings.

http://www.wbaltv.com/article/crews-remove-confederate-statues-in-baltimore-overnight/12017831

WBAL-TV Baltimore wrote:
Crews started getting ready around midnight Tuesday. By 3 a.m., a crane hoisted the monument from its pedestal. By 3:45 a.m., the monument was transferred to a flatbed truck.
...
It was not immediately known where the monuments were going.
...
Mayor Catherine Pugh has said that she has talked with contractors about logistics, contacted the Maryland Historical Trust for permissions and identified Confederate cemeteries to send some statues to.

This is just really sad to me----not only because these statues were erected, in the memory of lives lost; but, also, because they're ART, and I just don't think they should be destroyed (although, this article seems to suggest that it's POSSIBLE that the statues will be transferred to Confederate cemetaries, and I feel alot better, about that).

They interviewed a black lady, last night----when it was only thought, that they were VOTING on taking them, down----and she said that she thought that they should NOT be taken-down, cuz they're history, and that we should ensure that people are taught, about it. She is one of the smartest people whoever lived, IMO, because this is an issue that could have affected her, in a totally different way, but she chose to look at it, from another angle----and, I say "KUDOS, to her!!".

On the local news, this morning, they showed alot of people who were going to the various locations, and actually, like, "mourning" the loss.....


These actions smack way too much of ethnic cleansing..

For that matter, why don't the parties involved get over to Gettysburg and bulldoze the entire town, as the town, as well as the battlefield, are nothing but an eyesore and a pain to those that suffer by the reminders of what happened here?

Disraeli was right, those who do not study history, are doomed to repeat it.



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17 Aug 2017, 6:17 pm

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Fahrenheit 451 all the way!


Yes, exactly! Removal of a statue removes all historical knowledge of the event...if you are a moron.


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17 Aug 2017, 6:19 pm

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Actually, it seems that only the OUTSIDE ones have been removed, at-this-point----and, that there are still INSIDE ones, in various government buildings.

http://www.wbaltv.com/article/crews-remove-confederate-statues-in-baltimore-overnight/12017831

WBAL-TV Baltimore wrote:
Crews started getting ready around midnight Tuesday. By 3 a.m., a crane hoisted the monument from its pedestal. By 3:45 a.m., the monument was transferred to a flatbed truck.
...
It was not immediately known where the monuments were going.
...
Mayor Catherine Pugh has said that she has talked with contractors about logistics, contacted the Maryland Historical Trust for permissions and identified Confederate cemeteries to send some statues to.

This is just really sad to me----not only because these statues were erected, in the memory of lives lost; but, also, because they're ART, and I just don't think they should be destroyed (although, this article seems to suggest that it's POSSIBLE that the statues will be transferred to Confederate cemetaries, and I feel alot better, about that).

They interviewed a black lady, last night----when it was only thought, that they were VOTING on taking them, down----and she said that she thought that they should NOT be taken-down, cuz they're history, and that we should ensure that people are taught, about it. She is one of the smartest people whoever lived, IMO, because this is an issue that could have affected her, in a totally different way, but she chose to look at it, from another angle----and, I say "KUDOS, to her!!".

On the local news, this morning, they showed alot of people who were going to the various locations, and actually, like, "mourning" the loss.....


These actions smack way too much of ethnic cleansing..

For that matter, why don't the parties involved get over to Gettysburg and bulldoze the entire town, as the town, as well as the battlefield, are nothing but an eyesore and a pain to those that suffer by the reminders of what happened here?

Disraeli was right, those who do not study history, are doomed to repeat it.


What the f**k are you talking about? Ethnic cleansing of which ethnicity? The stupid racist ethnicity. If that is what you are implying, then my apologies, you go right ahead and cleanse.


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17 Aug 2017, 6:22 pm

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Seems like the antifa thugs are just fine with slavery -- as long as it's Communist slavery, as in North Korea.

Woman Who Destroyed Durham Confederate Statue Is A Pro-North Korea Marxist

One of the activists who toppled a Confederate statue in Durham, N.C., on Monday night is a member of an extreme leftist group that supports the totalitarian regime in North Korea and wants to abolish capitalism.

Taqiyah Thompson, a student at North Carolina Central University, was arrested Tuesday following a press conference in which she defended the actions of the demonstrators and equated police officers to Confederate soldiers and Ku Klux Klan members.

“I did the right thing,” she said. “Everyone who was there — the people did the right thing. The people will continue to keep making the right choices until every Confederate statue is gone, until white supremacy is gone. That statue is where it belongs. It needs to be in the garbage.”

Thompson is a member of the Worker’s World Party (WWP), a revolutionary Marxist-Leninist group originally formed in 1959 as a hard-line offshoot of the more moderate Socialist Workers Party. In addition to supporting a wide range of far-left causes, the group also defends the North Korean regime of dictator Kim Jong-un against alleged U.S. imperialism.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/woman ... a-marxist/



And I didnth think there was anyone stupid enough to believe anything written on the dailycaller.

Well, I guess I learned something new.


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17 Aug 2017, 7:33 pm

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Meistersinger wrote:
Campin_Cat wrote:
Actually, it seems that only the OUTSIDE ones have been removed, at-this-point----and, that there are still INSIDE ones, in various government buildings.

http://www.wbaltv.com/article/crews-remove-confederate-statues-in-baltimore-overnight/12017831

WBAL-TV Baltimore wrote:
Crews started getting ready around midnight Tuesday. By 3 a.m., a crane hoisted the monument from its pedestal. By 3:45 a.m., the monument was transferred to a flatbed truck.
...
It was not immediately known where the monuments were going.
...
Mayor Catherine Pugh has said that she has talked with contractors about logistics, contacted the Maryland Historical Trust for permissions and identified Confederate cemeteries to send some statues to.

This is just really sad to me----not only because these statues were erected, in the memory of lives lost; but, also, because they're ART, and I just don't think they should be destroyed (although, this article seems to suggest that it's POSSIBLE that the statues will be transferred to Confederate cemetaries, and I feel alot better, about that).

They interviewed a black lady, last night----when it was only thought, that they were VOTING on taking them, down----and she said that she thought that they should NOT be taken-down, cuz they're history, and that we should ensure that people are taught, about it. She is one of the smartest people whoever lived, IMO, because this is an issue that could have affected her, in a totally different way, but she chose to look at it, from another angle----and, I say "KUDOS, to her!!".

On the local news, this morning, they showed alot of people who were going to the various locations, and actually, like, "mourning" the loss.....


These actions smack way too much of ethnic cleansing..

For that matter, why don't the parties involved get over to Gettysburg and bulldoze the entire town, as the town, as well as the battlefield, are nothing but an eyesore and a pain to those that suffer by the reminders of what happened here?

Disraeli was right, those who do not study history, are doomed to repeat it.


What the f**k are you talking about? Ethnic cleansing of which ethnicity? The stupid racist ethnicity. If that is what you are implying, then my apologies, you go right ahead and cleanse.


How soon we forget the horrors between the Serbs and the Croats. I have a cousin, who is a Presbyterian minister and missionary in that part of the world, his wife is Croat and have seen this horror up close and personal. What is being done right now with the former relics of the Confederacy is no different to what has happened, and is still happening in Serbia and Croatia.

I'd make a snide comment about your avatar, but I'd be banned for doing so.



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17 Aug 2017, 7:37 pm

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These actions smack way too much of ethnic cleansing..

Okay, just to be sure I got your meaning.....

Do you mean they shouldn't be trying to erase the Confederate "ethnicity", from everywhere?







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17 Aug 2017, 7:55 pm

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These actions smack way too much of ethnic cleansing..

Okay, just to be sure I got your meaning.....

Do you mean they shouldn't be trying to erase the Confederate "ethnicity", from everywhere?


The point is that the Confederacy was and is a part of American history, whether we like it or not. To destroy that ignoble part of our history would, like Disraeli said, we are doomed to repeating same mistakes (as if we aren't doing so now.)



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17 Aug 2017, 7:58 pm

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These actions smack way too much of ethnic cleansing..

Okay, just to be sure I got your meaning.....

Do you mean they shouldn't be trying to erase the Confederate "ethnicity", from everywhere?


The point is that the Confederacy was and is a part of American history, whether we like it or not. To destroy that ignoble part of our history would, like Disraeli said, we are doomed to repeating same mistakes (as if we aren't doing so now.)



No! You made the comparison to ethnic cleansing, now quit evading the f*****g question.

What ethinicity is being cleansed?


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17 Aug 2017, 8:07 pm

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These actions smack way too much of ethnic cleansing..

Okay, just to be sure I got your meaning.....

Do you mean they shouldn't be trying to erase the Confederate "ethnicity", from everywhere?


The point is that the Confederacy was and is a part of American history, whether we like it or not. To destroy that ignoble part of our history would, like Disraeli said, we are doomed to repeating same mistakes (as if we aren't doing so now.)

There's acknowledging bad parts of one's heritage and then there's promoting them, confederate monuments (lower case, they were never an officially recognized country) falls into the later. No country in the history of the world has ever allowed the flag of sedition to fly in it's own country, nor monuments for the traitors partaking in said sedition...except for this one, and there's a reason for that: it prevents closure and the society from moving forward, and here we are 150 years later...



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I'd make a snide comment about your avatar, but I'd be banned for doing so.


Quasimodo and Anderson Cooper were more appealing to look at.