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Kraichgauer
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23 Aug 2017, 4:24 pm
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
But at least those people with those so called worthless degrees working at Starbucks have an appreciation for the sciences and arts that ignorant rednecks and business people who haven't read a book in years don't usually have. That, and you can at least carry on an intelligent conversation with them. I'd much rather talk about a literary genre than bigoted crap about how Muslims and Charles Darwin are bringing about the End Times, or be put into a coma from sheer boredom listening to how the DOW justifies lowering the minimum wage.
I myself have what you probably would call a useless degree in history. But guess what, I and the people I associate with wear our genteel poverty as a badge of honor. Appreciating literature, or an historical epoch, or the like is much more fulfilling than living only to make money hand-over-fist, or spending hours with senseless talk about automotives.
I myself have what you probably would call a useless degree in history. But guess what, I and the people I associate with wear our genteel poverty as a badge of honor. Appreciating literature, or an historical epoch, or the like is much more fulfilling than living only to make money hand-over-fist, or spending hours with senseless talk about automotives.
I think the one side being sophisticates with an appreciation for the arts and sciences whilst the other side are ignorant yahoos is pure invention. I've seen way too many examples of what the left as a whole is actually like since last November. That's why I focus on the left. Because of all the airs they put on that actually had me deceived. It was like seeing that the emperor has no clothes. The jig is up. The cat's out of the bag. Their cover is blown.
There are always exceptions, but the fact remains, with the appeal of right wing populism among the conservative masses that had been nurtured since the days of George W. Bush and Sarah Palin, there has been a notion that intellectualism is contemptible. Knowing things, they believe, is useless if it doesn't make you money. Learning just for the joy of learning is ridiculed. The late William F. Buckley, a far right, Ivy League intellectual if there had ever been one, would have spat on those today's populists. Just because some left wing cretins act badly by rioting hardly vindicates the rejection of the arts and sciences among too many conservatives today.
You're going to have to give me a quote from Bush and or Palin saying that intellectualism is contemptible or else it comes off as a strawman. I myself would say that pseudo-intellectualism is contemptible. There's the rioting and death threats along with the sensationalism and hysteria, as one big package. This is how the left ended up maketing itself. Now they want to go back to square one as enlightened artistic scientific intellectuals, but I think it's too late for that, namely because there's just going to be one flip out after another. The left should think of Trump winning as a test; a test that they faild really really badly.
This is a video I came across on yt trending:
Are you sure the capitalist conservatives are against higher education? Because it sounds like they're making a shedload of cash off it.
For one thing, not the whole left goes berserk and burns things down. In fact, only a tiny minority does. Do conservatives want to be judged by the actions of white nationalist?
Like I said, I think it's the whole package. It looks like mass hysteria on their part. It's always been way over the top on a daily basis.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Bush and Palin never directly condemned intellectuals, but they purposely spoke in ungrammatical, dumbed down English when pushing the envelope for populism. Here's a hint: an ivy league educated rich boy like Bush isn't one with the common man.
That's not what you originally said. Now it's been watered down to them purposely speaking in ungrammatical, dumbed down English. Which I'd still have to see an example of to believe it.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Sure, conservative business people makes loads of money. But when asked in interviews what books they've read recently, the answer invariably is that they haven't read anything in years - and that includes Trump. All they know is business, but are completely blind to science, the arts, and history, thereby having a very limited view of the world around them. With religion, they'll often profess having faith, but more often than not, most of them adhere to the fast food of organized religion, evangelicalism. There is more to life than just making money.
I meant making loads of money off student loans.
And again, I'd have to see some examples of them saying they haven't read anything in years. Otherwise it just comes off as propaganda. The idea that liberals read and conservatives don't, sounds like a cockamamie claim you picked up somewhere.
All you have to do is listen to Bush's and Palin's scatter brained speeches and interviews. Bush once said: "They're disassembling - that means they're not telling the truth."
Trump has said he's never read anything. Many businessmen who belong to my church tell me they hadn't read anything, save for dry business information. And this is coming from Lutheranism, where intellectuality has always been promoted.
Considering that our current President is a narcissistic buffoon who takes advice from right wing extremists (Gorka, Miller, and until recently, Bannon), and who is at the very least an unwitting Russian asset, I think it's understandable that we on the left would be alarmed for our country.
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23 Aug 2017, 9:07 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
But at least those people with those so called worthless degrees working at Starbucks have an appreciation for the sciences and arts that ignorant rednecks and business people who haven't read a book in years don't usually have. That, and you can at least carry on an intelligent conversation with them. I'd much rather talk about a literary genre than bigoted crap about how Muslims and Charles Darwin are bringing about the End Times, or be put into a coma from sheer boredom listening to how the DOW justifies lowering the minimum wage.
I myself have what you probably would call a useless degree in history. But guess what, I and the people I associate with wear our genteel poverty as a badge of honor. Appreciating literature, or an historical epoch, or the like is much more fulfilling than living only to make money hand-over-fist, or spending hours with senseless talk about automotives.
I myself have what you probably would call a useless degree in history. But guess what, I and the people I associate with wear our genteel poverty as a badge of honor. Appreciating literature, or an historical epoch, or the like is much more fulfilling than living only to make money hand-over-fist, or spending hours with senseless talk about automotives.
I think the one side being sophisticates with an appreciation for the arts and sciences whilst the other side are ignorant yahoos is pure invention. I've seen way too many examples of what the left as a whole is actually like since last November. That's why I focus on the left. Because of all the airs they put on that actually had me deceived. It was like seeing that the emperor has no clothes. The jig is up. The cat's out of the bag. Their cover is blown.
There are always exceptions, but the fact remains, with the appeal of right wing populism among the conservative masses that had been nurtured since the days of George W. Bush and Sarah Palin, there has been a notion that intellectualism is contemptible. Knowing things, they believe, is useless if it doesn't make you money. Learning just for the joy of learning is ridiculed. The late William F. Buckley, a far right, Ivy League intellectual if there had ever been one, would have spat on those today's populists. Just because some left wing cretins act badly by rioting hardly vindicates the rejection of the arts and sciences among too many conservatives today.
You're going to have to give me a quote from Bush and or Palin saying that intellectualism is contemptible or else it comes off as a strawman. I myself would say that pseudo-intellectualism is contemptible. There's the rioting and death threats along with the sensationalism and hysteria, as one big package. This is how the left ended up maketing itself. Now they want to go back to square one as enlightened artistic scientific intellectuals, but I think it's too late for that, namely because there's just going to be one flip out after another. The left should think of Trump winning as a test; a test that they faild really really badly.
This is a video I came across on yt trending:
Are you sure the capitalist conservatives are against higher education? Because it sounds like they're making a shedload of cash off it.
For one thing, not the whole left goes berserk and burns things down. In fact, only a tiny minority does. Do conservatives want to be judged by the actions of white nationalist?
Like I said, I think it's the whole package. It looks like mass hysteria on their part. It's always been way over the top on a daily basis.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Bush and Palin never directly condemned intellectuals, but they purposely spoke in ungrammatical, dumbed down English when pushing the envelope for populism. Here's a hint: an ivy league educated rich boy like Bush isn't one with the common man.
That's not what you originally said. Now it's been watered down to them purposely speaking in ungrammatical, dumbed down English. Which I'd still have to see an example of to believe it.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Sure, conservative business people makes loads of money. But when asked in interviews what books they've read recently, the answer invariably is that they haven't read anything in years - and that includes Trump. All they know is business, but are completely blind to science, the arts, and history, thereby having a very limited view of the world around them. With religion, they'll often profess having faith, but more often than not, most of them adhere to the fast food of organized religion, evangelicalism. There is more to life than just making money.
I meant making loads of money off student loans.
And again, I'd have to see some examples of them saying they haven't read anything in years. Otherwise it just comes off as propaganda. The idea that liberals read and conservatives don't, sounds like a cockamamie claim you picked up somewhere.
All you have to do is listen to Bush's and Palin's scatter brained speeches and interviews. Bush once said: "They're disassembling - that means they're not telling the truth."
Trump has said he's never read anything. Many businessmen who belong to my church tell me they hadn't read anything, save for dry business information. And this is coming from Lutheranism, where intellectuality has always been promoted.
Considering that our current President is a narcissistic buffoon who takes advice from right wing extremists (Gorka, Miller, and until recently, Bannon), and who is at the very least an unwitting Russian asset, I think it's understandable that we on the left would be alarmed for our country.
As far as the left is comprised of readers and the right is comprised of those who shun books, is an anicdotal, rather than intellectual, claim.
And needless to say reading isn't necessarily an intellectual endeavor, depending on what is being read.
How many books have you read this year and what are their titles?
Kraichgauer
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23 Aug 2017, 11:50 pm
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
But at least those people with those so called worthless degrees working at Starbucks have an appreciation for the sciences and arts that ignorant rednecks and business people who haven't read a book in years don't usually have. That, and you can at least carry on an intelligent conversation with them. I'd much rather talk about a literary genre than bigoted crap about how Muslims and Charles Darwin are bringing about the End Times, or be put into a coma from sheer boredom listening to how the DOW justifies lowering the minimum wage.
I myself have what you probably would call a useless degree in history. But guess what, I and the people I associate with wear our genteel poverty as a badge of honor. Appreciating literature, or an historical epoch, or the like is much more fulfilling than living only to make money hand-over-fist, or spending hours with senseless talk about automotives.
I myself have what you probably would call a useless degree in history. But guess what, I and the people I associate with wear our genteel poverty as a badge of honor. Appreciating literature, or an historical epoch, or the like is much more fulfilling than living only to make money hand-over-fist, or spending hours with senseless talk about automotives.
I think the one side being sophisticates with an appreciation for the arts and sciences whilst the other side are ignorant yahoos is pure invention. I've seen way too many examples of what the left as a whole is actually like since last November. That's why I focus on the left. Because of all the airs they put on that actually had me deceived. It was like seeing that the emperor has no clothes. The jig is up. The cat's out of the bag. Their cover is blown.
There are always exceptions, but the fact remains, with the appeal of right wing populism among the conservative masses that had been nurtured since the days of George W. Bush and Sarah Palin, there has been a notion that intellectualism is contemptible. Knowing things, they believe, is useless if it doesn't make you money. Learning just for the joy of learning is ridiculed. The late William F. Buckley, a far right, Ivy League intellectual if there had ever been one, would have spat on those today's populists. Just because some left wing cretins act badly by rioting hardly vindicates the rejection of the arts and sciences among too many conservatives today.
You're going to have to give me a quote from Bush and or Palin saying that intellectualism is contemptible or else it comes off as a strawman. I myself would say that pseudo-intellectualism is contemptible. There's the rioting and death threats along with the sensationalism and hysteria, as one big package. This is how the left ended up maketing itself. Now they want to go back to square one as enlightened artistic scientific intellectuals, but I think it's too late for that, namely because there's just going to be one flip out after another. The left should think of Trump winning as a test; a test that they faild really really badly.
This is a video I came across on yt trending:
Are you sure the capitalist conservatives are against higher education? Because it sounds like they're making a shedload of cash off it.
For one thing, not the whole left goes berserk and burns things down. In fact, only a tiny minority does. Do conservatives want to be judged by the actions of white nationalist?
Like I said, I think it's the whole package. It looks like mass hysteria on their part. It's always been way over the top on a daily basis.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Bush and Palin never directly condemned intellectuals, but they purposely spoke in ungrammatical, dumbed down English when pushing the envelope for populism. Here's a hint: an ivy league educated rich boy like Bush isn't one with the common man.
That's not what you originally said. Now it's been watered down to them purposely speaking in ungrammatical, dumbed down English. Which I'd still have to see an example of to believe it.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Sure, conservative business people makes loads of money. But when asked in interviews what books they've read recently, the answer invariably is that they haven't read anything in years - and that includes Trump. All they know is business, but are completely blind to science, the arts, and history, thereby having a very limited view of the world around them. With religion, they'll often profess having faith, but more often than not, most of them adhere to the fast food of organized religion, evangelicalism. There is more to life than just making money.
I meant making loads of money off student loans.
And again, I'd have to see some examples of them saying they haven't read anything in years. Otherwise it just comes off as propaganda. The idea that liberals read and conservatives don't, sounds like a cockamamie claim you picked up somewhere.
All you have to do is listen to Bush's and Palin's scatter brained speeches and interviews. Bush once said: "They're disassembling - that means they're not telling the truth."
Trump has said he's never read anything. Many businessmen who belong to my church tell me they hadn't read anything, save for dry business information. And this is coming from Lutheranism, where intellectuality has always been promoted.
Considering that our current President is a narcissistic buffoon who takes advice from right wing extremists (Gorka, Miller, and until recently, Bannon), and who is at the very least an unwitting Russian asset, I think it's understandable that we on the left would be alarmed for our country.
As far as the left is comprised of readers and the right is comprised of those who shun books, is an anicdotal, rather than intellectual, claim.
And needless to say reading isn't necessarily an intellectual endeavor, depending on what is being read.
How many books have you read this year and what are their titles?
Just off the top of my head of books I've read:
Bad Moneys
The Best Horror Of The Year
The Metamorphosis And Other Stories (by the great Franz Kafka)
The Years Best Extreme Horror Stories
Badasases Of The Old West
I'm currently reading Green Eyes. I'm sure there are others. Just what have you read?
It's not just reading, but feeding an intellectual interest one has, even if it doesn't involve making money. I've learned in my time on earth that people who have limited interest in reading have an overall lack of interest in their wider world that doesn't involve money.
I seriously have no problem with someone making money, but I do when that one has no interest in the wider world, especially since such persons think they should be running the country. Let the pick up a book, listen to some music, read some literature, consider that life on earth is millions of years old, worship at a church with written creeds and who use liturgies etc.
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