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22 Aug 2017, 3:43 pm
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
Darmok wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I say if he passes then the house democrats should be required to take a mental health exam.
LOL. Maybe an IQ test too.
Democrats are not the ones hating educated and smart peoples.
A recent poll revealed how just over 50% of Republicans have a negative opinion of higher education.
Probably because too many people have degrees they end up not using. While having huge student loans to pay off.
More likely it comes from a distrust of science, and contempt for the arts. One downside of populism that's often overlooked is how everything smacking of elitism is rejected, while mediocrity and just plain embracing of anti-intellectualism is embraced to the point of rolling around in one's own stupidity.
I've come to the conclusion that the left billing themselves refined sophisticated artistic intellectuals on the whole is bogus. Their depiction of the right ping-pongs between ivy league white collar businesspeople and blue collar redneck inbreeders who never went to school which also comes off as bogus. There's too many lib college grads with usless arts degrees, working at starbucks.
they wouldn't have been of much use as engineers anyway. you can argue that schools are teaching math in an unappealing way, but as it is, a lot of people just aren't good enough or interested in math to become good at anything STEM, so ... let them study literature, maybe, just maybe, they can find a way based on that.
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22 Aug 2017, 5:24 pm
cyberdad wrote:
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But guess what, I and the people I associate with wear our genteel poverty as a badge of honor. Appreciating literature, or an historical epoch, or the like is much more fulfilling than living only to make money hand-over-fist, or spending hours with senseless talk about automotives.
Kraichgauer! it's your fault that you don't have a rich daddy to set you up with a 200K job on graduation like most good O'l republicans do with their "little darlings"
Seriously, though, my parents were both working class Democrats, and they would have been repulsed by this current rejection of education and learning for the elevation of proudly not knowing anything. I think it was Toby Keith who had sung "I'm just a simple man/ I don't know the difference between Iraq and Iran." Well, that is a commonly held sentiment today that we can't afford to have in the modern world, if we ever could.
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22 Aug 2017, 5:33 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
But guess what, I and the people I associate with wear our genteel poverty as a badge of honor. Appreciating literature, or an historical epoch, or the like is much more fulfilling than living only to make money hand-over-fist, or spending hours with senseless talk about automotives.
Kraichgauer! it's your fault that you don't have a rich daddy to set you up with a 200K job on graduation like most good O'l republicans do with their "little darlings"
Seriously, though, my parents were both working class Democrats, and they would have been repulsed by this current rejection of education and learning for the elevation of proudly not knowing anything. I think it was Toby Keith who had sung "I'm just a simple man/ I don't know the difference between Iraq and Iran." Well, that is a commonly held sentiment today that we can't afford to have in the modern world, if we ever could.
I actually don't think wealthy conservatives reject education. But 99% of the wealthy conservatives simply see university as a "means to an end" to fuel their climb up the social ladder. I'm afraid it's also seen that way be many "aspiring bourgeois" wanting to leave their "humble" roots.
What social climbing conservatives hate is critical thinking because it ultimately threatens their social fabric
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22 Aug 2017, 5:33 pm
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
But at least those people with those so called worthless degrees working at Starbucks have an appreciation for the sciences and arts that ignorant rednecks and business people who haven't read a book in years don't usually have. That, and you can at least carry on an intelligent conversation with them. I'd much rather talk about a literary genre than bigoted crap about how Muslims and Charles Darwin are bringing about the End Times, or be put into a coma from sheer boredom listening to how the DOW justifies lowering the minimum wage.
I myself have what you probably would call a useless degree in history. But guess what, I and the people I associate with wear our genteel poverty as a badge of honor. Appreciating literature, or an historical epoch, or the like is much more fulfilling than living only to make money hand-over-fist, or spending hours with senseless talk about automotives.
I myself have what you probably would call a useless degree in history. But guess what, I and the people I associate with wear our genteel poverty as a badge of honor. Appreciating literature, or an historical epoch, or the like is much more fulfilling than living only to make money hand-over-fist, or spending hours with senseless talk about automotives.
I think the one side being sophisticates with an appreciation for the arts and sciences whilst the other side are ignorant yahoos is pure invention. I've seen way too many examples of what the left as a whole is actually like since last November. That's why I focus on the left. Because of all the airs they put on that actually had me deceived. It was like seeing that the emperor has no clothes. The jig is up. The cat's out of the bag. Their cover is blown.
It's not so much that the left is made of educated and smart peoples, that the the US right has become dumb and anti-intellectual going against nearly every learned profession, from teachers to scientists, while been taken over by a stupid populism that love denying facts. It's to the point of stupid statements like: CO2 is plant food (A terrible oversimplification), CO2 is harmless (Not true; CO2 poisoning can go so far as causing death; though it is at far higher levels that what we found currently in the atmosphere), Egyptian pyramids are grain silos (Maybe Ben Carson wanted engineers to have heart attacks
), evolution is a lie (The scientific theory with the most evidences; no less), the Earth is cooling (It's denying facts and reality) and so on. Sometime there is peoples on the left saying stupid things, but they are rarely coming from politicians. Also, in my opinion teacher is a more honorable profession that Wall Street banker or lawyer, even if they are payed less and the right hate teachers.
22 Aug 2017, 9:32 pm
Tollorin wrote:
Egyptian pyramids are grain silos (Maybe Ben Carson wanted engineers to have heart attacks ), evolution is a lie (The scientific theory with the most evidences; no less),
), evolution is a lie (The scientific theory with the most evidences; no less), I enjoyed that little nugget from Dr Carson. I wonder how inner city housing is faring under his watch?
Tollorin wrote:
in my opinion teacher is a more honorable profession that Wall Street banker or lawyer, even if they are payed less and the right hate teachers.
This is a no-brainer. The right wing snobs will castigate their children as failures if they choose a career in teaching or nursing. Lawyers and investment bankers are social leeches feeding of the misery of the general population
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