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11 Feb 2018, 2:28 pm

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... or was George W. Bush the last conservative to have any moral principals whatsoever?


Wait a minute, wasn't George W. the left's last monster under the bed before Trump?
Wasn't the Bush administration equated to the Third Reich and the Sith?


George W. had at least some moral principles.

Trump might be the first US President who is completely and utterly nihilistic.


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11 Feb 2018, 3:34 pm

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Trump might be the first US President who is completely and utterly nihilistic.

No at least he loves his children
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics ... t-erin.cnn

Oh dear...you are right...



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11 Feb 2018, 3:43 pm

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You just don't get it, do you?
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Your wit and his obtuseness is quite an entertaining display.



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11 Feb 2018, 9:46 pm

EzraS wrote:
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You just don't get it, do you?
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Your wit and his obtuseness is quite an entertaining display.


I've been entertaining on WP for several years while people like DMK come and go. I have noticed the more recent ones do seem more obtuse.
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11 Feb 2018, 9:47 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
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... or was George W. Bush the last conservative to have any moral principals whatsoever?


Wait a minute, wasn't George W. the left's last monster under the bed before Trump?
Wasn't the Bush administration equated to the Third Reich and the Sith?


George W. had at least some moral principles.

Trump might be the first US President who is completely and utterly nihilistic.

The next one could be much worse and you'll look back on Trump as having better moral principles.


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11 Feb 2018, 10:54 pm

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The next one could be much worse and you'll look back on Trump as having better moral principles.


I doubt it. The American Anti-Corruption Act will likely be passed before the next American election.



The vast majority of Americans (both liberal and conservative) already want anti-corruption legislation. The people who want this act passed outnumber those who hate it. The only thing currently holding back the American Anti-Corruption Act is widespread cynicism.

This cynicism will gradually erode as Trump continues to ruin America and the American people realize that they have nothing left to lose.

This movement is a movement in the interests of the immense majority. It cannot possibly fail.

Once the US government is freed from corporate chains, the imperial war machine will end. Most Americans didn't want to support Suharto's Indonesia. Most Americans didn't support Pinochet. Most Americans don't want to have anything to do with Saudi Arabia.

Trump is foolishly and brazenly backing the American masses into a corner. There is no telling what a cornered beast might do.


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12 Feb 2018, 10:01 pm

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The next one could be much worse and you'll look back on Trump as having better moral principles.


I doubt it. The American Anti-Corruption Act will likely be passed before the next American election.

Anti-corruption act...lol.
Government by nature is corruption and the only way to even partially curb it is with smaller government.


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12 Feb 2018, 10:05 pm

gov't is the ONLY protection the lower classes have from the upper classes, even while they protect the upper classes from the lower class' rage at getting repeatedly reamed by the upper classes. gov't is the only governor humanity has devised for this purpose. and it could just as easily be said that the righties are just as obtuse if they think the upper classes are really on "their side."



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12 Feb 2018, 10:35 pm

Raptor wrote:
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The next one could be much worse and you'll look back on Trump as having better moral principles.


I doubt it. The American Anti-Corruption Act will likely be passed before the next American election.

Anti-corruption act...lol.
Government by nature is corruption and the only way to even partially curb it is with smaller government.


Wait a minute. You think that government is corruption ... and so you trust corporations?

A corporation can become like a government if it is allowed to own land. Were the feudal lords of the Middle Ages political leaders or corporate owners?

The main difference between a government and a corporation is that governments are democratic (usually) whereas corporations are not. We, the people, don't get to vote on which CEO owns ExxonMobil or Haliburton.

Whenever a government does not exist, private tyrannies emerge. Whenever a democratic government exists, the wealthy corrupt the democratic process to create warfare, propaganda, and corporate welfare ... unless campaign finance is regulated.

Anti-corruption legislation has already raised the standard of living in Canada and Scandinavia. It works and that's a fact.

If you think that "government is corruption", why do you like Donald Trump? He's a politician. Isn't securing the border a form of big government? Isn't militarism a form of big government?

I'm pretty sure that you didn't even watch the video that I posted. I'm pretty sure that you aren't even going to read this post.

Whatever. I'm still posting this because the other members on this site need to know why you are wrong.


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12 Feb 2018, 11:18 pm

And let us not forget: as those who are so in love with smaller government (or perhaps none) also love their private property the most, in fact are the most dependant on government. Without government and government coercion, property rights are in fact only not enforceable, but simply don't legally exist.


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13 Feb 2018, 12:48 am

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And let us not forget: as those who are so in love with smaller government (or perhaps none) also love their private property the most, in fact are the most dependant on government. Without government and government coercion, property rights are in fact only not enforceable, but simply don't legally exist.

Extreme right wingers think you can protect your land holdings with armed milita (hence the guns) and an independent army to protect their "white borders" with a shoot to kill order for Mexicans or Haitians so no government required



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13 Feb 2018, 1:09 am

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And let us not forget: as those who are so in love with smaller government (or perhaps none) also love their private property the most, in fact are the most dependant on government. Without government and government coercion, property rights are in fact only not enforceable, but simply don't legally exist.

Extreme right wingers think you can protect your land holdings with armed milita (hence the guns) and an independent army to protect their "white borders" with a shoot to kill order for Mexicans or Haitians so no government required


That is, until someone with a bigger army or militia shows up. And hey, they may even be Haitians or Mexicans!


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13 Feb 2018, 1:22 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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And let us not forget: as those who are so in love with smaller government (or perhaps none) also love their private property the most, in fact are the most dependant on government. Without government and government coercion, property rights are in fact only not enforceable, but simply don't legally exist.

Extreme right wingers think you can protect your land holdings with armed milita (hence the guns) and an independent army to protect their "white borders" with a shoot to kill order for Mexicans or Haitians so no government required


That is, until someone with a bigger army or militia shows up. And hey, they may even be Haitians or Mexicans!

Hence Trump's wall



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13 Feb 2018, 1:29 am

cyberdad wrote:
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And let us not forget: as those who are so in love with smaller government (or perhaps none) also love their private property the most, in fact are the most dependant on government. Without government and government coercion, property rights are in fact only not enforceable, but simply don't legally exist.

Extreme right wingers think you can protect your land holdings with armed milita (hence the guns) and an independent army to protect their "white borders" with a shoot to kill order for Mexicans or Haitians so no government required


That is, until someone with a bigger army or militia shows up. And hey, they may even be Haitians or Mexicans!

Hence Trump's wall


Which can not only be conquered by a ladder or a tunnel, but also with an airline ticket.


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13 Feb 2018, 1:37 am

I would hazard a guess the wall is going to take longer than the Great wall of China to build



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13 Feb 2018, 1:40 am

I reckon the damned thing will eventually be built in whatever form, at obscene cost to working amuuuricans, and it will be a monument to amuuurican stoooopidity.