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14 Mar 2018, 4:07 pm

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Unless it wasn't Russia... Putin is capable of it but he isn't a reckless moron. He has no motive. He has an election coming up in a couple of weeks and the World Cup in a few months. He knows the mass hysteria it would cause. His enemies have all the motives.

Oh come on John! Do you really believe that the "election" could possibly have any other outcome than yet another Putin victory?
He has plenty of motive to murder people who are aware of his involvement in the Russian apartment bombings just prior to his "election" to the presidency.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2012/11 ... -bombings/

No. But he certainly wouldn't want this kind of thing going on before an election.
If Putin ordered it he wouldn't have used a nerve agent that traced back to Russia. If he wanted to kill him he'd have done it ages ago. He'd have probably just had him shot.

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14 Mar 2018, 4:15 pm

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You mean you agree with what he said?

Anti-Russian Neo-Nazis otherthrew an elected leader in Ukraine which caused more terrible divides in the country. Putin asked the West to get round the table for diplomacy, they refused. Crimea is full of Russian speaking people so they were naturally concerned about what happened with the US supported and helped takeover over the government in Ukraine. And it wasn't like al these troops just suddenly went there, there's been some kind of Russian military presence there for over 200 years. There was already a base there. You don't seem bothered about all the US military bases across the world.

Wow, this is BS. Sorry, but even someone who is as pro-Russia as I am cannot accept these lies. Yes, the government of the elected leader (Yanukovych) of the Ukraine who was deposed in a pro-EU coup was legitimate, but the rest of what you claim here is just silly. "Neo-Nazis"? You're sounding like an SJW here. Using the excuse that the Crimea "is full of Russian-speaking people" to justify Putin's opportunistic (and disgusting) land-grab gives him the proverbial green light to do the same to the Baltic States like Estonia. Good thing for them they are in N.A.T.O., otherwise they would already be gone by now. "There are Russian-speakers being oppressed, we must intervene". Hmm, now where did I come across something like this before? Oh yes, territories known as Austria and the Sudetenland back in the late 30's.
Honestly, leaders who carry on like Vlad Putrid deserve to be snuffed out. Putin is a monster, don't kid yourself about what he is capable of. He is destroying Russia, not making it great again. For this reason alone he should be hauled off to The Hague.

And you sound like Hillary Clinton by comparing Putin to Hitler. People have the right to self determination. Yeah, Neo-Nazis

http://therealnews.com/t2/story:21048:M ... in-Ukraine

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14 Mar 2018, 4:18 pm

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^^
Look, it's been tested by nerve special experts,(in the U.K) whatever mismatched opinions you're trying to get at. Ask one of your own kind, if you're trying to get an answer, but I doubt you'll get one in your own press coverage.
This is U.K news.

This is Goodnight from the News Team and in Wiltshire, the current hub of all this bad. I'm not interested in debating news reels on American secret agents.. it's clarity and we're not in the clear yet, that's all I know. So my people should just heed the warnings, and stay away. Didn't one such secretary have to be axed yesterday? No doubt preparing himself for the News that has shook the World.. and one little town.

The Whitehouse had better grab some lifebelts next time. :roll:

Remember when Tony Blair said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction?

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14 Mar 2018, 4:19 pm

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Sympathisers of anti-democratic forces easy to deal with in a time of war.

Eh?

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14 Mar 2018, 10:30 pm

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That so called elected government had come to power with Russian interference - as they had done with the last American Presidential election. The Ukrainian strongman was nothing more than a Russian puppet. Incidentally, that same Ukrainian strongman stepped down from power only when the western European glitterati made it clear he wouldn't be invited to their parties and highlife anymore if he remained Putin's stooge. He was so shallow that he considered the limelight to be more important than running his country, so he stepped down. Sounds a lot like my current President.

Any evidence for that? We know there's no evidence that Russia interfered with the 2016 US election so please cut the cr*p.
He was a Russian puppet, but the US had no right to remove him with Neo Nazis and install a US puppet.
No, he was told he'd be killed by the US backed Neo Nazi mob so he fled.

Blinders. Willful blinders on all points.

You just gonna keep saying that every time you are wrong?

Nope, if I was wrong, I wouldn't say it.

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15 Mar 2018, 8:21 pm

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Remember when Tony Blair said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction?

Yeah, bombing your own press coverage is a joke, scaring people out of their homes isn't.

Instead of Trump firing people he barely knows but has instead worked in the White House for a few years, says a lot about dedication to a united cause. Head of my arse.. he should keep some other guy who's backed the CIA on God knows how many fronts, and wants to be another sidekick to Trumps many discreet dealings and ploys to a former Soviet State. All baddies think alike.. just don't drop the.. or wait to push the USSR naval fleet into another cold war submission or watch a certain member state blow up.
There is no union amongst republics no more, it is just whole Totalitarianism.. and Europe must not weaken under it.

Who's quick to pour the poison into whose earholes?

And look who else is acting decoy of public enemy number one.

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18 Mar 2018, 12:36 pm

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do you think Putin is an imbecile? He would have to be to use a nerve agent that could only be traced back to Russia

Many professionals who study Russian political behavior and military history have said this week in their opinion it was absolutely intentional for it to be traced back to Russia, because this wasn't just a murder attempt, it was a murder attempt along with a strong message handed out to the world.

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18 Mar 2018, 2:12 pm

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Also, Kaputin do not give a s**t. He is basically untouchable with his new home guard and his Yunarmiya (Hitler youth) - also he is gloating.

The country however, is not untouchable.

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18 Mar 2018, 2:56 pm

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do you think Putin is an imbecile? He would have to be to use a nerve agent that could only be traced back to Russia

Yeah like many 'professionals' said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. If your conspiracy theory was the case, Putin would just admit to it. The move hasn't benefited Russia at all.

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18 Mar 2018, 3:08 pm

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Biscuitman wrote:

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do you think Putin is an imbecile? He would have to be to use a nerve agent that could only be traced back to Russia

Yeah like many 'professionals' said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. If your conspiracy theory was the case, Putin would just admit to it. The move hasn't benefited Russia at all.

It's not a conspiracy theory, it's just an idea put forward by a number of people who's job involves understanding Russia's moves.

Why the hell would Putin admit to it if he wants to send a message like this? This way he sends a message without having to admit it. Perfect scenario for him.

So if people were wrong on Iraq then some other unrelated people are wrong about everything, forever?

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18 Mar 2018, 3:22 pm

Biscuitman wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Biscuitman wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

do you think Putin is an imbecile? He would have to be to use a nerve agent that could only be traced back to Russia

Yeah like many 'professionals' said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. If your conspiracy theory was the case, Putin would just admit to it. The move hasn't benefited Russia at all.

It's not just Iraq, it's the entire history with anything related to war. People who are screaming at Russia and coming up with those type of conspiracy theories seem to pretend that history never happened. In 1962, the Department of Defense amd joint chief of staffs in the US put plans forward for the CIA to carry out terrorist attacks against US civilian and military targets so it could be blamed on Cuba and the US could then invade Cuba. The Gulf of Tonkon incident in 1964 where the US said one of their boats had been attacked by the North Vietnamese and this led to LBJ getting the US into full military conflict in Vietnam and other surrounding countries. The only problem being, the attack never happened. Then there was the young girl in Congress before the first Gulf war, saying that she was in a hospital in Kuwait when Iraqi soldiers stormed in, dragged babies out of incubators and left them to die on the cold floor. This helped get support for attacking Iraq. The girl was the daughter of the Kuwait Ambassador to the US and made the whole thing up.

Shall I continue?

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18 Mar 2018, 3:25 pm

How the hell is he "sending a message" by denying it? He doesn't want even more NATO troops to build up around Russia's borders and for multiple countries to pull out of the World Cup.

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18 Mar 2018, 3:54 pm

JohnPowell wrote:

Biscuitman wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Biscuitman wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

do you think Putin is an imbecile? He would have to be to use a nerve agent that could only be traced back to Russia

Yeah like many 'professionals' said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. If your conspiracy theory was the case, Putin would just admit to it. The move hasn't benefited Russia at all.

You are naming people in other parts of the world many decades ago being wrong about something unrelated as to why these people here are wrong now about something? You are aware many people around the world in history have been correct about various subjects too, right?

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18 Mar 2018, 3:57 pm

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How the hell is he "sending a message" by denying it? He doesn't want even more NATO troops to build up around Russia's borders and for multiple countries to pull out of the World Cup.

You really don't understand the idea of doing something wrong, knowing that no one can ever provide 100% proof it was you, so you deny it completely while knowing the other person will have learned what you are capable of & willing to do? It's really quite a simple concept.

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18 Mar 2018, 4:46 pm

Biscuitman wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Biscuitman wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Biscuitman wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

do you think Putin is an imbecile? He would have to be to use a nerve agent that could only be traced back to Russia

Yeah like many 'professionals' said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. If your conspiracy theory was the case, Putin would just admit to it. The move hasn't benefited Russia at all.

It's all the same thing and the same interests. The Military Industrial Complex. The same interests control our country. It's very much related. There needs to be a constant threat of war for the MIC to keep profiting. Peace with Russia is just not acceptable to them. Yes, the same people who gave called out all the other bulls**t are saying this doesn't make sense and the people who have been wrong about pretty much everything are saying this is Putin's work.

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18 Mar 2018, 4:47 pm

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The US treats its women, gays and other minorities far better than the vast majority of the world. I am in favour of universal healthcare but the idea that those who oppose it are far right is just silly. You listed reasons it was right wing but none of them are far right I think there is a language issue here Far right doesn't just mean very right wing it means essentially fascist.

Wow. The US treats it's women, gays and other minorities. You make it sound like the US is white men and the rest of us are it's dependents. Word: the US IS women, gays, blacks etc. And note this: comparing against how bad it could be is a sad excuse for stagnation.

You are 100% a white dude. Clueless.

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