Trump gets clever: no asylum if not at a port of entry

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12 Nov 2018, 10:05 am

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Mexic is part of it. Are these “refugees” lives directly threaten in Mexico? If not from my reading thy have to seek asylum in Mexico or rather any nation after theirs that is a signatory of this. So unless every nation they went to threaten to kill them they can’t seek asylum in the us after going through bunch of nations.
And the vast majority not actually seeking asylum. They're coming here for economic reasons (as they have in fact said in interviews) which is not grounds for granting asylum.
What is the exact percentage, and what supporting evidence exists?



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12 Nov 2018, 10:08 am

Many of these people are escaping gang violence in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador.



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12 Nov 2018, 10:12 am

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Many of these people are escaping gang violence in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador.
What is the exact percentage, and what supporting evidence exists?



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12 Nov 2018, 10:43 am

That would be very, very hard to determine. One would have to interview every one of the migrants. And there might be doubt has to how true their statements are.

But I do believe, via "faith," that many of them are fleeing that violence.



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12 Nov 2018, 11:20 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
That would be very, very hard to determine.


Which is why they are entitled to due process under 8 U.S. Code § 1158 and Article 31 of the 1951 United Nations Human Rights Convention regardless of where they are or how they got here, regardless of that f*****g as*hole's racism, nativism, and xenophobia.
(or that of his cult members)



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12 Nov 2018, 3:22 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Many of these people are escaping gang violence in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador.

There’s gang violence everywhere can people leave Chicago and seek asylum in Canada?
Anyways unless they can show such threat to their life in Mexico the. They can’t seek asylum in the USA since they are crossing into Mexico and have to see asylum there.
Unless they make the trip by ocean bypassing other nations.
So are their lives threaten in Mexico? Have they even tried seeking asylum in mexico?



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12 Nov 2018, 3:25 pm

Piobaire wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
That would be very, very hard to determine.


Which is why they are entitled to due process under 8 U.S. Code § 1158 and Article 31 of the 1951 United Nations Human Rights Convention regardless of where they are or how they got here, regardless of that f*****g as*hole's racism, nativism, and xenophobia.
(or that of his cult members)

Actually since they aren’t threatened in Mexico they have to seek asylum there according to article 31. Unless they can proove the government of Mexico is threading their lives.
But we all know they aren’t seeking asylum they just want to take advantage of our economy, or they’d stopped in the first friends nation and comply with article 31.



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12 Nov 2018, 4:32 pm

Last year was the deadliest in Mexico on record; with 31,174 murders recorded.
Yeah; they're in danger in Mexico.



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12 Nov 2018, 7:19 pm

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Last year was the deadliest in Mexico on record; with 31,174 murders recorded.
Yeah; they're in danger in Mexico.

So we should conquer Mexico then? Mean if we going take their whole population why not get the land and resources?
Then they wouldn’t have to move either. The USA comes to them instead win win right?

I’d have to read the article more but I believe it has to be a government threat. Life is harder everywhere.
Are we the worlds police or not?



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13 Nov 2018, 7:08 am

Try again when you're more coherent.



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14 Nov 2018, 4:52 am

That last remark wasn't necessary and doesn't contribute anything to the discussion.

Keep to the topic please...

That said, Mexico is a troubled nation.

Would love to see what Trump would do if he was forced to cross to Mexico due to climate change as shown in the movie The Day After Tomorrow!


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14 Nov 2018, 5:14 am

the one condition that would make me contribute to building this GD wall, would be if it kept il trumpo out of the USA forevermore.



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14 Nov 2018, 11:09 am

auntblabby wrote:
the one condition that would make me contribute to building this GD wall, would be if it kept il trumpo out of the USA forevermore.

What if we were to round up his cult, confine them to Texas, and we built a wall around that?



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14 Nov 2018, 12:42 pm

I don't think the unfortunate citizens of Austin and other progressive cities would be keen on that...

Maybe one of the little backwoods counties. There's one with a population of less than 100 and there are more oil wells there than people!


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14 Nov 2018, 1:03 pm

Fnord wrote:
What is the exact percentage, and what supporting evidence exists?

It's common knowledge, and it's been going on for years.

Anyway it's irrelevant to Trump policies which are only based on racism.