'Charlie Brown Thanksging' Criticized as Racist

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24 Nov 2018, 1:18 pm

Holy crap on a cracker! How much more absurd could our PC culture get?


https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4180 ... f-franklin


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24 Nov 2018, 4:25 pm

Some people just can't function without getting mad about something, even the most ridiculous things.


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24 Nov 2018, 4:53 pm

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Some people just can't function without getting mad about something, even the most ridiculous things.



Yeah. Let's go back 50 years and find something racist about a beloved cartoon, "Oh, look! There's a black character sitting by himself on one side of the table! That must mean that Charles Shultz was in favor of segregating the races! Let's go on Twitter and condemn him!"


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24 Nov 2018, 5:04 pm

Actually, from what I read he insisted on including Franklin after apparently, he was advised not to include a black character. Charles Schulz said Franklin would be included or he would quit. He was an advocate for civil rights.



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24 Nov 2018, 5:21 pm

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Actually, from what I read he insisted on including Franklin after apparently, he was advised not to include a black character. Charles Schulz said Franklin would be included or he would quit. He was an advocate for civil rights.



Exactly!


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24 Nov 2018, 6:21 pm

No mention of the native Americans who had made the Pilgrims' survival possible.

And they created a "new world for freedom and justice". Yeah, the freedom to genocide native Americans by sending them blankets infected with measles and the justice of slavery for blacks.

And keeping the black guy "separate but equal". I wonder what was going through Charles Schultz's head when he did this. Was it to palliate the Southern viewers?

note: This image is from the book, not the movie:
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24 Nov 2018, 6:26 pm

thoughtbeast wrote:
No mention of the native Americans who had made the Pilgrims' survival possible.

And they created a "new world for freedom and justice". Yeah, the freedom to genocide native Americans by sending them blankets infected with measles and the justice of slavery for blacks.

And keeping the black guy "separate but equal". I wonder what was going through Charles Schultz's head when he did this. Was it to palliate the Southern viewers?

note: This image is from the book, not the movie:
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That's just whataboutery. Diversion.


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24 Nov 2018, 6:29 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
Magna wrote:
Actually, from what I read he insisted on including Franklin after apparently, he was advised not to include a black character. Charles Schulz said Franklin would be included or he would quit. He was an advocate for civil rights.



Exactly!


I concur!


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24 Nov 2018, 6:29 pm

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thoughtbeast wrote:
No mention of the native Americans who had made the Pilgrims' survival possible.

And they created a "new world for freedom and justice". Yeah, the freedom to genocide native Americans by sending them blankets infected with measles and the justice of slavery for blacks.

And keeping the black guy "separate but equal". I wonder what was going through Charles Schultz's head when he did this. Was it to palliate the Southern viewers?

note: This image is from the book, not the movie:
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That's just whataboutery. Diversion.


And what is your logic?


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24 Nov 2018, 8:56 pm

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JohnPowell wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
No mention of the native Americans who had made the Pilgrims' survival possible.

And they created a "new world for freedom and justice". Yeah, the freedom to genocide native Americans by sending them blankets infected with measles and the justice of slavery for blacks.

And keeping the black guy "separate but equal". I wonder what was going through Charles Schultz's head when he did this. Was it to palliate the Southern viewers?

note: This image is from the book, not the movie:
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That's just whataboutery. Diversion.


And what is your logic?


He has no logic behind it. It's amazing what triggers them.



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24 Nov 2018, 9:17 pm

thoughtbeast wrote:
No mention of the native Americans who had made the Pilgrims' survival possible.

And they created a "new world for freedom and justice". Yeah, the freedom to genocide native Americans by sending them blankets infected with measles and the justice of slavery for blacks.

And keeping the black guy "separate but equal". I wonder what was going through Charles Schultz's head when he did this. Was it to palliate the Southern viewers?

note: This image is from the book, not the movie:
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You make some valid points. I applaud you passion for calling out racism and prejudice. But is calling out a cartoonist, who is long since dead, for placing a black character on the opposite side of the table to white characters going to further the discussion against racism? I mean, Jesus! We could sit here all day applying the PC standards of today to the past, which wouldn't get us anywhere. We could condemn Abraham Lincoln for being a racist, which he was, because he didn't believe blacks were equal to whites.


There's certainly nothing wrong with having these conversations, mind you. But let's come down to earth, shall we? Let's give credit where it's due and stop being so ridiculous that we waste time condemning a classic holiday cartoon because it might offend the left's vision of an egalitarian utopia. Hopefully, we'll get there in time.


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24 Nov 2018, 9:32 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
Magna wrote:
Actually, from what I read he insisted on including Franklin after apparently, he was advised not to include a black character. Charles Schulz said Franklin would be included or he would quit. He was an advocate for civil rights.



Exactly!


You've got that right!


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24 Nov 2018, 10:58 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
No mention of the native Americans who had made the Pilgrims' survival possible.

And they created a "new world for freedom and justice". Yeah, the freedom to genocide native Americans by sending them blankets infected with measles and the justice of slavery for blacks.

And keeping the black guy "separate but equal". I wonder what was going through Charles Schultz's head when he did this. Was it to palliate the Southern viewers?

note: This image is from the book, not the movie:
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You make some valid points. I applaud you passion for calling out racism and prejudice. But is calling out a cartoonist, who is long since dead, for placing a black character on the opposite side of the table to white characters going to further the discussion against racism? I mean, Jesus! We could sit here all day applying the PC standards of today to the past, which wouldn't get us anywhere. We could condemn Abraham Lincoln for being a racist, which he was, because he didn't believe blacks were equal to whites.


There's certainly nothing wrong with having these conversations, mind you. But let's come down to earth, shall we? Let's give credit where it's due and stop being so ridiculous that we waste time condemning a classic holiday cartoon because it might offend the left's vision of an egalitarian utopia. Hopefully, we'll get there in time.


I don't think that it's calling out the cartoonist. Charles Schulz was obviously not any kind of conscious racist. That the turkey is placed closest to Franklin indicates that Schulz wasn't trying to disparage him. But there was plenty of unconscious discrimination in that era and that might explain Franklin's placement at the opposite end of the table, just as the one person with a disability (glasses) is also separated from the main group. Off-topic: I wonder where Lucy is.



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24 Nov 2018, 11:24 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Magna wrote:
Actually, from what I read he insisted on including Franklin after apparently, he was advised not to include a black character. Charles Schulz said Franklin would be included or he would quit. He was an advocate for civil rights.



Exactly!


You've got that right!


And when Schultz introduced Franklin, many people (regardless if they supported the addition of Franklin or were critical of Schultz adding a black character) still say that Schultz was ahead of his time which in turn gave Schultz a reputation of being someone who was willing to take risks.

Like many here on Wrong Planet, I've been a huge fan of the Peanuts comics since I was a kid. In fact, there is no evidence that Schultz was a racist just because there is only one black character in the Peanuts comics.

Slightly off-topic: Given that no evidence has ever been revealed that Schultz was a racist, he could be compared to Walt Disney, who like Schultz never expressed anything that would have been considered racist in his time. In fact, many accounts have stated that Schultz didn't care about racial tensions because like Walt Disney, Schultz saw everyone as human by disregarding a person's race and skin color.


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25 Nov 2018, 3:24 am

VegetableMan wrote:
Holy crap on a cracker! How much more absurd could our PC culture get?


https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4180 ... f-franklin


I don’t want to know.

About that racist “cracker” remark. :D


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25 Nov 2018, 10:29 am

thoughtbeast wrote:
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JohnPowell wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
No mention of the native Americans who had made the Pilgrims' survival possible.

And they created a "new world for freedom and justice". Yeah, the freedom to genocide native Americans by sending them blankets infected with measles and the justice of slavery for blacks.

And keeping the black guy "separate but equal". I wonder what was going through Charles Schultz's head when he did this. Was it to palliate the Southern viewers?

note: This image is from the book, not the movie:
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That's just whataboutery. Diversion.


And what is your logic?


He has no logic behind it. It's amazing what triggers them.


I don't get "triggered". I'm just showing you what you do.


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