House approves 5 billion for Trump’s wall

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Are you basing that on the original plan he described?

I don't believe Mexico should pay for the wall at all.

It's the United State's idea. Mexico didn't consent to it.

If Mexico would pay for the wall, it would mean it's denying its sovereignty----its right to be a nation.

@ezra No because every president's original plan is total BS. Obama purported to be closing Guantanamo. There were & possibly still are quite a few innocent people there.

Making people pay for something that restricts them, that's classic iPhone fanboy nonsense.

^well said.

I think like with ACA, Obama did have a certain plan in mind that did not work out as he intended, rather then come to a conclusion that it was all just a big steaming pile of BS.



I have no idea what that means. The way America or any country or business operates is by getting money out of people. As I recall Trump's plan involved tariffs or something similar. Rather than Mexico directly specifically funding the wall.

It amazes me you guys still trust what Trump's telling you. He claimed there'd be a wall and Mexico would pay for it, and you know what we've actually gotten: a 10 billion dollar bailout package for Mexico. 0 wall, 10 billion to Mexico.

But it's like I've said from day one: he's just stringing you guys along for his own personal profit. You'll start to see the money he's made from the office come out in the next 2-3 months with investigations from the House Finance Committee, who has the ability to subpoena itemized administration budgets. Don't be shocked when you find out his company has made 100's of millions just from his trips to Mar a Lago where he's charging the taxpayer premium rates for his security detail and entourage to stay while he golfs. Also don't be shocked when you learn he's got profitable business deals in places like Turkey, Russia, and even China, that were put in place the last two years he's been in office and supposedly negotiating with those historic antagonists on our behalf. When all the money has come to light, maybe then you'll understand that this far-right nationalist stance is just an act, just an act to keep you distracted while he reached into your pocket and stole your wallet. But I'm not holding my breath.

On my part it has nothing to do with trust or faith or like or dislike of Trump. Or approving or disapproving of the wall plan. It's just simply analyzing the original plan as I understand it. What mazes me, figuratively speaking, is how some with autism seem reason on an emotional rather than analytical level.

Trust me, you'll know when I'm emotional, because I won't be near as polite.

Edit: and you know what, I probably should be emotional, because the man in the White House is stealing my tax dollars for his own personal gain.

So it’s exacrly like gun control and other liberal policies

There’s no sales tax in my state. Illegal immigrants can’t pay income tax.

You guys are losing out then, at least here in CO they're still paying local taxes on products they purchase. Yay us.

I was referring to several people here. However in my observation your post contain a lot of hyperbole.

Auxesis is the technical term and specifically climatic auxesis. Hyperbole is blowing something out of proportion. Again, 0 wall, 10 billion to Mexico is not hyperbole, it's technical term is called: a fact.

I was referring to yours and others overall posting style displaying what appears to contain emotional reasoning and ranting. Referring to several people in general: "he's full of s**t and a liar!" type comments. If I ask if the person saying such things, if they have analyzed what was actually said, I get responses like "I don't have to, he's a liar and a conman!". So if hyperbole isn't the right term for that kind of rhetoric, what is?



I still think a couple of years ago he actually did have some plan in mind, such as tariffs or similar, to get Mexico to fund the wall in a round about way.

Again, it's called a fact Ezra: Fact Checker Analysis President Trump has made more than 5,000 false or misleading claims


Which should tell you how serious he was about it-- if he were serious you'd remember because he'd constantly be bragging about his plan. He is not, therefore he was not serious. And again, there was never a plan, there were 'ideas', which are nowhere close to a 'plan', which alludes to some strategy and process to accomplish a goal. Here's the ideas:

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So see, a bunch of ideas, but no plan. That was February of this year btw, so that was 10 months ago, and still no plan. That should tell you how serious he was about Mexico paying for it. Ask yourself: If this were Trump's personal business and there was a property he seriously wanted to acquire, would he wait around 10 months (and counting) to start the ball rolling? Again, he's not serious, he's stringing you along.

To be honest, the Republicans have been stringing you all along for almost 40 years. You know who was the first president to campaign on being tough on illegal immigration? Ronald Reagan in 1984. You know what the result was? The first amnesty bill for illegal immigrants. You know who echoed that sentiment in his campaign? George H.W. Bush. Result: he was the first president that worked on NAFTA. You know who else was going to be tough on immigration (but compassionate about it)? George W. Bush. Result: you got a dinky fence around a small section of Texas that illegals routinely just walk around. And then there's Trump, who was going to be super tough on immigration and build a wall to end all walls. Result: 10 billion dollar stimulus to Mexico. See, the Republicans keep TELLING you they're going to do these things, but their ACTIONS are the complete opposite. There's two factors at play here, the wealthy elite that fund the Republican politicians, and thus are their boss, do not actually want illegal immigration solved because it would eliminate their near slave-labor and cut into their profits, and 2nd, the Republican politicians have every incentive not to solve immigration because it would take an issue off the table, an issue they can get you to go out and vote for them over and over and over again, so long as it never gets solved. Again, it's called a string along.

I hire illegals and I still want a wall. It’s called border security.