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18 Jan 2019, 6:31 pm

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I just came back to Wrong Planet after four years. Never much participated on the political forum ,as there is too much cacophony for me to have coherent dialogue; however I have something significant to say regarding this particular topic as it relates specifically to my own special interest about how human beings process data, but first, to Ezra; You wrote:

"I'm not particularly in favor of the wall, but didn't they detain illegal aliens before trump? And in general when parents are arrested while in custody of their children, aren't the children usually removed, rather than mingling with the adult population being detained or under arrest?

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To Ezra, doesn't being "comfortably numb" effect the way you process data? The mind/sfeelings need to be alive, and maybe even a little uncomfortable at times, to bbe able to look and find.

Also, too lazy to google? it just takes a minute:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 728060002/

Also, "the wall" is, generally speaking, a symbol for something else; this relates to the way people process data, but there are honorable ways to generalize, as well as imo dishonorable ways to do so. Am not saying you are doing it in this or that way, but it might be worthwhile to take a look at how you are processing data, especially when you are still young and there is probably a better chance to catch a glimpse of it.


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18 Jan 2019, 6:40 pm

enz wrote:
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enz wrote:
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enz wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... b62b9027ea

Do you really think the media has made up 7645 things the president has said and not get sued into oblivion?

Every single lie he's told has been documented with the date it happened and the reason why it was a lie.

It's not opinion its fact


I have read the claim that Obama told 50 lies, counting once. If counted Washington Post style, maybe it adds up to 10,000 lies. The claim was strong enough for Snopes to investigate it https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obamas-50-lies/ Who got sued into oblivion over that?




I found this:

https://www.politifact.com/personalitie ... se/?page=1


Here's 36 times Obama Said You Could Keep Your Health Care Plan.



Now is that 36 separate lies or one lie told several times?


Still doesn't make him a pathological liar like trump who on record has lied 700% more.


What I'm saying is that Snopes concluded not everything called a lie was technically a lie and that what's called a lie can can be greatly expanded and exaggerated.



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18 Jan 2019, 6:43 pm

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Because they are globalists and it helps their corporate masters. They don't actually care about illegal aliens.

Also, those illegal aliens will have their anchor babies, who will grow up to vote for Democrats.

Plus, just by having an anchor baby, many illegals will qualify for various welfare programs like Medicaid. It is a disgusting affront to the millions of Americans who don't have access to affordable health care.

That is only one reason why the practice of giving citizenship to the children of illegals has to end. There is also birth tourism. Rich aliens pay money to give birth in the US so their kids can get into American colleges and receive other benefits.

Many countries have limited birthright citizenship for these kinds of reasons. The US needs to follow.

Honestly, I think Trump should order the military to do drills and military exercises outside the Capitol until the shutdown ends. He should also issue an executive order to withhold Congress's pay and benefits. He doesn't have the authority to actually do it, and would lose the court battle, but it would be a political win. Pretty much everyone agrees that Congress shouldn't be paid during the shutdown.


Isn't globalist code for Jews?


No. It means exactly what it sounds like - a person who supports globalism: open borders, multiculturalism, the European Union, anti-nationalism, etc.


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18 Jan 2019, 8:39 pm

I happen to like multiculturalism myself.

I happen to like to talk to people of different nationalities.



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19 Jan 2019, 1:30 am

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I happen to like multiculturalism myself.

I happen to like to talk to people of different nationalities.


One can appreciate other cultures without wanting to see it on one's local streets.


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19 Jan 2019, 3:19 pm

EzraS wrote:
littlebee wrote:
I just came back to Wrong Planet after four years. Never much participated on the political forum ,as there is too much cacophony for me to have coherent dialogue; however I have something significant to say regarding this particular topic as it relates specifically to my own special interest about how human beings process data, but first, to Ezra; You wrote:

"I'm not particularly in favor of the wall, but didn't they detain illegal aliens before trump? And in general when parents are arrested while in custody of their children, aren't the children usually removed, rather than mingling with the adult population being detained or under arrest?

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comfortably numb"


To Ezra, doesn't being "comfortably numb" effect the way you process data? The mind/sfeelings need to be alive, and maybe even a little uncomfortable at times, to bbe able to look and find.

Also, too lazy to google? it just takes a minute:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 728060002/

Also, "the wall" is, generally speaking, a symbol for something else; this relates to the way people process data, but there are honorable ways to generalize, as well as imo dishonorable ways to do so. Am not saying you are doing it in this or that way, but it might be worthwhile to take a look at how you are processing data, especially when you are still young and there is probably a better chance to catch a glimpse of it.


Ad hominem - of an argument or reaction directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

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This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.


To Ezra, so sorry! What I wrote to you was in no way intended to be any kind of attack or put down, but the way you responded is your perception and I respect that. Secondly, I was not reacting when I wrote what I wrote. I was conscious and acting from a clear and peaceful mind, though this is not to say I never react; also, what I wrote was written out of love. Again, sorry, and will be more careful when/if I respond to you in the future. This said, this particular interaction has been very valuable to me and a genuine learning experience.

Speaking of my own life-transforming experience, inner feelings of numbness greatly affected the way I personally was processing data in the past. I left certain information out and maybe put some other stuff in, and when I finally saw through it, my entire life was transformed as I was able to remember back to some traumatic childhood experience which I already knew happened, but this time, I felt it, and it transformed my life, but, again, this is about me and not about you. I am not suggesting you do this, but opnly explaining where I was coming from, as I was trying to share my own experience. I will write on a different WP forum and thread in the future, maybe, about my personal experience with being numb. The key point and basic gist of what I was trying to convey about why this problem on the border is happening (imo) is because of the incomplete and often slanted way people on both sides of the 'fence':-) are processing data. It is not inclusive in a certain way that is possible. This subject is very interesting to me, especially since my greatest passion for several decades is social science/biophysics.

Love to all and peace out.



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20 Jan 2019, 1:16 am

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One can appreciate other cultures without wanting to see it on one's local streets.

I'm triggered by mariachi bands too.



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20 Jan 2019, 4:48 am

littlebee wrote:
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littlebee wrote:
I just came back to Wrong Planet after four years. Never much participated on the political forum ,as there is too much cacophony for me to have coherent dialogue; however I have something significant to say regarding this particular topic as it relates specifically to my own special interest about how human beings process data, but first, to Ezra; You wrote:

"I'm not particularly in favor of the wall, but didn't they detain illegal aliens before trump? And in general when parents are arrested while in custody of their children, aren't the children usually removed, rather than mingling with the adult population being detained or under arrest?

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comfortably numb"


To Ezra, doesn't being "comfortably numb" effect the way you process data? The mind/sfeelings need to be alive, and maybe even a little uncomfortable at times, to bbe able to look and find.

Also, too lazy to google? it just takes a minute:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 728060002/

Also, "the wall" is, generally speaking, a symbol for something else; this relates to the way people process data, but there are honorable ways to generalize, as well as imo dishonorable ways to do so. Am not saying you are doing it in this or that way, but it might be worthwhile to take a look at how you are processing data, especially when you are still young and there is probably a better chance to catch a glimpse of it.


Ad hominem - of an argument or reaction directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

2. Personal attacks.
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.


To Ezra, so sorry! What I wrote to you was in no way intended to be any kind of attack or put down, but the way you responded is your perception and I respect that. Secondly, I was not reacting when I wrote what I wrote. I was conscious and acting from a clear and peaceful mind, though this is not to say I never react; also, what I wrote was written out of love. Again, sorry, and will be more careful when/if I respond to you in the future. This said, this particular interaction has been very valuable to me and a genuine learning experience.

Speaking of my own life-transforming experience, inner feelings of numbness greatly affected the way I personally was processing data in the past. I left certain information out and maybe put some other stuff in, and when I finally saw through it, my entire life was transformed as I was able to remember back to some traumatic childhood experience which I already knew happened, but this time, I felt it, and it transformed my life, but, again, this is about me and not about you. I am not suggesting you do this, but opnly explaining where I was coming from, as I was trying to share my own experience. I will write on a different WP forum and thread in the future, maybe, about my personal experience with being numb. The key point and basic gist of what I was trying to convey about why this problem on the border is happening (imo) is because of the incomplete and often slanted way people on both sides of the 'fence':-) are processing data. It is not inclusive in a certain way that is possible. This subject is very interesting to me, especially since my greatest passion for several decades is social science/biophysics.

Love to all and peace out.


My apologies if I read you wrong during a time when some people in this forum think it's okay to belittle others and derail threads making disparaging personal remarks and critiquing someone. If someone feels they must engage in such, they should at least take it to PM, instead of a thread being derailed by me becoming the subject. If I were an attention whore, I'd be in hog heaven with all of this. And lines like "Also, too lazy to google? it just takes a minute" sounds condescending.

If you want to discuss me more, please take it to PM.



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20 Jan 2019, 10:19 am

Thanks Ezra, yes, I agree that what I wrote about google does sound condescending (and also was possibly disruptive, though not intended to be so), so, again, sorry. This is actually how I talk to a lot of people a lot of time, maybe because I am autistic and have a poorly developed theory of mind in some regard and so erroneously think/feel that the other person will feel the love, and usually they do if it is in face to face personal contact, and in daily life this personality style can cut a lot of grease so a convo doesn't get bogged down (not to imply this convo even was bogged down), but obviously online a lot of this mode of communication does not translate. I already knew this, I suppose, but forgot, though. because this subject is my passion and I got carried away.

Okay, moving on, I think what I wrote about the wall representing different things to different people is of value. It is an obvious point that everyone here already knows, I suppose, but I think the explanation of what is happening around immigration and the answer to your question partly hinges on the principle that because of the way the human brain processes data, one thing often represents something else.

I am probably going to be spending a lot of time on various news, current events discussion, so to introduce myself to people here: I am obviously a democrat, or liberal, if you want to put it that way, as many if not most here probably are, but I am more moderate, and it is my opinion that a lot of the drama that is happening is literally a backlash against ill-concealed liberal policy, a lot of which is based upon a misunderstanding of the principle of so called natural human rights, a la Rousseau. Most people studied this philosopher in school but really have little or no idea of the profound affect this writer had upon Western political policy. Will write more on this later or maybe start a thread sometime, but, in short, some people, especially far left liberals of the progressive socialists ilk have misinterpreted writing of that philosopher that was maybe written more from a legal slant or justice perspective, and taken it literally, BUT-- one is not really literally born with any kind of natural right, either to food, housing or anything, though compassionate people do wish other people to have food and housing and healthcare and be happy. Pax out.



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20 Jan 2019, 11:25 am

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I happen to like multiculturalism myself.

I happen to like to talk to people of different nationalities.


Same here.

I worked for around 12 years in 2 companies, both of which I had the same role of being the main contact for various overseas customers and staff. I kind of fell into it originally but loved it soon enough and when I was thinking of moving on I spoke to another company I had contact with and asked about a job there knowing they had a similar set up. At the 2nd company I was the only British person permanently in the UK office. I am somewhat obsessed by different cultures, European history and languages so I was in my element there. They were lovely people too and I spent much of my time quizzing them on their respective countries and trying to understand detail about the cultural and sometimes political complexities of their homelands.



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20 Jan 2019, 11:35 am

BaronHarkonnen85 wrote:
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I happen to like multiculturalism myself.

I happen to like to talk to people of different nationalities.


One can appreciate other cultures without wanting to see it on one's local streets.


Wut? :?

I'm reading that as "people are supposed to be segregated," and I whole heartedly disagree.

Where I live, we have people from all over the world, speaking nearly every language, practicing nearly every religion (No 5 Rd in Richmond, BC, has ~10 churches/temples in a row from every major religion), and making & eating nearly every type of ethnic cuisine - which is awesome.. I have the option of going to a restaurant and having nearly anything the world has to offer.

We have a Chinatown, little Italy, little India areas, a Vietnamese strip, quite a few Philippinos, Persians, the Croatian cultural Centre, an Australian one, plenty of Persians, people from Hong Kong & tons from mainland China, a few Africans & Jamaicans (WAY more black people in Toronto than here on the West Coast), Brazilians, Russians, Syrians, Indigenous people etc etc etc. We especially have a lot of Chinese & Indians here, but there are people here from almost every country you could think of. And yes, we have Mexicans, too.. I build walls with them, actually, and they're for everyone.

There's Chinese New Year, the Sikhs have their Diwali parade, there's a Brazil Fest party in the streets, Italian Days on Commercial Drive, and probably a bunch of other cultural parties in the streets I'm forgetting. Oh yeah, Pride is the biggest one - there's literally more than half a Million people partying in the streets & everywhere for that one - the biggest of the year by far.

If everyone and everything was all just a bunch of same-same sameness monoculture around here IMO things would be pretty boring.


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20 Jan 2019, 11:52 am

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Why did you liberals go apeshit about those two kids who died at the border but you ignore the hundreds American citizens being killed by illegal immigrants? Why do you care more about illegal immigrants than American citizens? That's treasonous.

Is it possible for you to respond without criticizing Trump? I don't think so.

Because Liberals prefer to live in a reality-based world of empiricism rather than a brutally racist, fact-free world of ignorance. Your premise is factually untrue and therefore logically indefensible; in common parlance, a lie.
Two charts demolish the notion that immigrants here illegally commit more crime
Illegal Immigration Does Not Increase Violent Crime, 4 Studies Show
Research Tells Us That Immigration Does Not Lead to Higher Crime Rates

Then there's this:
Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice
Res ipsa loquitur


Well said. Racism cloaked in many guises is like the proverbial pig with lipstick, it's still a pig.


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20 Jan 2019, 12:22 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
BaronHarkonnen85 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I happen to like multiculturalism myself.

I happen to like to talk to people of different nationalities.


One can appreciate other cultures without wanting to see it on one's local streets.


Wut? :?

I'm reading that as "people are supposed to be segregated," and I whole heartedly disagree.

Where I live, we have people from all over the world, speaking nearly every language, practicing nearly every religion (No 5 Rd in Richmond, BC, has ~10 churches/temples in a row from every major religion), and making & eating nearly every type of ethnic cuisine - which is awesome.. I have the option of going to a restaurant and having nearly anything the world has to offer.

We have a Chinatown, little Italy, little India areas, a Vietnamese strip, quite a few Philippinos, Persians, the Croatian cultural Centre, an Australian one, plenty of Persians, people from Hong Kong & tons from mainland China, a few Africans & Jamaicans (WAY more black people in Toronto than here on the West Coast), Brazilians, Russians, Syrians, Indigenous people etc etc etc. We especially have a lot of Chinese & Indians here, but there are people here from almost every country you could think of. And yes, we have Mexicans, too.. I build walls with them, actually, and they're for everyone.

There's Chinese New Year, the Sikhs have their Diwali parade, there's a Brazil Fest party in the streets, Italian Days on Commercial Drive, and probably a bunch of other cultural parties in the streets I'm forgetting. Oh yeah, Pride is the biggest one - there's literally more than half a Million people partying in the streets & everywhere for that one - the biggest of the year by far.

If everyone and everything was all just a bunch of same-same sameness monoculture around here IMO things would be pretty boring.


Well, you are Canadian. From what I've heard your government is dedicated to cultural suicide.


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20 Jan 2019, 12:44 pm

White people should go back where they came from... Europe.



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20 Jan 2019, 12:47 pm

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Well, you are Canadian. From what I've heard your government is dedicated to cultural suicide.


How so? :? If anything, we are not a country of cultural suicide but one of cultural genocide. Along with our counterparts in the USA, European settlers to Canada were responsible for obliterating more than 100 Million people in a span of less than 500 years.

We're continuing to do exactly the same thing we've done since Canada's inception a very brief 151 years ago. People from overseas continue to come here & make better lives for themselves and their families. Like the USA, we are a nation of immigrants. Unfortunately, like the USA, we're also a nation of murderers and thieves, and have a history that began with a near complete genocide of the peoples that resided here before us.

The only thing that's changed is the colour of the skin of some immigrants, the languages they speak, the religions they practice etc. 100 years ago they came from England, France, Ukraine, Ireland etc and now they are coming largely from Asian countries.


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White people should go back where they came from... Europe.

So should the others then.
Let’s return the America’s to being uninhabited