Annual Doomsday Clock still at 2 mins to Midnight

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31 Jan 2019, 9:46 pm

Due to:

Nuclear weapons - largely due to the trump administration’s policies.

And man made climate change.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/24/world/ ... n.com%252F

Seems accurate.


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31 Jan 2019, 10:19 pm

And yet we've remained at DEFCON 5.



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01 Feb 2019, 4:08 am

goldfish21 wrote:
Due to:

Nuclear weapons - largely due to the trump administration’s policies.

And man made climate change.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/24/world/ ... n.com%252F

Seems accurate.

It should be 2 seconds to midnight not because of any of Trump’s nuclear policies but because of Trump’s “personality”. The scarily ironic thing is the more he loses the bigger chance of a temper tantrum nuclear war.


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01 Feb 2019, 5:27 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Due to:

Nuclear weapons - largely due to the trump administration’s policies.

And man made climate change.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/24/world/ ... n.com%252F

Seems accurate.

It should be 2 seconds to midnight not because of any of Trump’s nuclear policies but because of Trump’s “personality”. The scarily ironic thing is the more he loses the bigger chance of a temper tantrum nuclear war.


Does he have any record of throwing temper tantrums? I don't mean twitter posts. I mean fistfights, brandishing a weapon, shoving matches, going on a rampage smashing things etc.



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01 Feb 2019, 1:07 pm

Nothing says “end of the world” like a big fake clock.

The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists gave its annual Doomsday Clock presentation on Thursday and announced that it’s still two minutes to midnight. Last year, the group of 15 scholars and scientists moved the phony minute hand of fate 30 seconds closer to Armageddon, from two-and-a-half minutes to midnight to its present setting, 11:58 pm sharp. By the Bulletin’s logic, we’re as close to the end as we’ve ever been. The whole thing is adorably retro.

The Doomsday Clock debuted in 1947 and was set at seven minutes to midnight. You could say that one Doomsday Minute is roughly equal to ten years, except the Doomsdayers move the Clock forward and backward depending on what’s going on in the world. So the whole time-running-out thing is symbolically incoherent. And it’s not been the best predictor of emergencies either: In 1960, a year after the Cuban Revolution that brought Fidel Castro to power, the clock added five minutes to the survival time of the human race. Two years later, we had the Cuban Missile Crisis.

The last time the clock was two minutes to midnight was in 1953, at the peak of the Cold War and the nuclear arms race. What’s so scary this time around? “Humanity faces two dire and simultaneous existential threats: nuclear weapons and climate change,” said former California Governor Jerry Brown, executive chair of the Bulletin.

The Doomsday Clock has been suffering from mission creep for years now. Since the end of the Cold War, the people behind the Bulletin have been put in the position of alarmists looking for a fire. And climate change has been working its way to the fore of the Bulletin’s concerns.


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01 Feb 2019, 1:23 pm

jimmy m wrote:
Nothing says “end of the world” like a big fake clock.

The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists gave its annual Doomsday Clock presentation on Thursday and announced that it’s still two minutes to midnight. Last year, the group of 15 scholars and scientists moved the phony minute hand of fate 30 seconds closer to Armageddon, from two-and-a-half minutes to midnight to its present setting, 11:58 pm sharp. By the Bulletin’s logic, we’re as close to the end as we’ve ever been. The whole thing is adorably retro.

The Doomsday Clock debuted in 1947 and was set at seven minutes to midnight. You could say that one Doomsday Minute is roughly equal to ten years, except the Doomsdayers move the Clock forward and backward depending on what’s going on in the world. So the whole time-running-out thing is symbolically incoherent. And it’s not been the best predictor of emergencies either: In 1960, a year after the Cuban Revolution that brought Fidel Castro to power, the clock added five minutes to the survival time of the human race. Two years later, we had the Cuban Missile Crisis.

The last time the clock was two minutes to midnight was in 1953, at the peak of the Cold War and the nuclear arms race. What’s so scary this time around? “Humanity faces two dire and simultaneous existential threats: nuclear weapons and climate change,” said former California Governor Jerry Brown, executive chair of the Bulletin.

The Doomsday Clock has been suffering from mission creep for years now. Since the end of the Cold War, the people behind the Bulletin have been put in the position of alarmists looking for a fire. And climate change has been working its way to the fore of the Bulletin’s concerns.


Source: Apocalypse Creep: Liberal Eschatology



The moral of the story: It's not a good idea to put too much stock in a big-ass, fake Armageddon clock.


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01 Feb 2019, 2:42 pm

I saw someone here lamenting loudly with anxiety over this Doomsday clock thing. Myself, too many times of people crying "Wolf!" has made me resistant. I mean, I'm informed and politically active (to the extent of voting every election, national and local) but I have too many other worries and problems to pay attention to a fake clock.


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01 Feb 2019, 5:12 pm

EzraS wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Due to:

Nuclear weapons - largely due to the trump administration’s policies.

And man made climate change.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/24/world/ ... n.com%252F

Seems accurate.

It should be 2 seconds to midnight not because of any of Trump’s nuclear policies but because of Trump’s “personality”. The scarily ironic thing is the more he loses the bigger chance of a temper tantrum nuclear war.


Does he have any record of throwing temper tantrums? I don't mean twitter posts. I mean fistfights, brandishing a weapon, shoving matches, going on a rampage smashing things etc.


He claimed in his book "Art of The Deal" he punched his 2nd grade music teacher and gave him a black eye.

A reporter just revealed Trump threw things in childish tantrum after meeting with Pelosi and Schumer
Quote:
“He stormed out of the Oval, walked into an anteroom just off the Oval Office and had in his hand a folder of briefing papers. And he just scattered them out of frustration — threw them across the room,” Stokols said on MSNBC’s “Hardball,” according to his own discussions with White House officials.


Donald Trump's 5 Biggest Tantrums: From Smashed-Up Furniture To Anti-Boat Bias
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While having a poke around his Plaza Hotel in Atlantic City in 1989, Trump lost it when he came face-to-face with an armoire he didn't like and "in an expletive-laced explosion, he ripped the door off the subpar piece of furniture", according to CNN.


Most of his life he has gotten his way, now he is not, that is the concern.


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01 Feb 2019, 7:50 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
EzraS wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Due to:

Nuclear weapons - largely due to the trump administration’s policies.

And man made climate change.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/24/world/ ... n.com%252F

Seems accurate.

It should be 2 seconds to midnight not because of any of Trump’s nuclear policies but because of Trump’s “personality”. The scarily ironic thing is the more he loses the bigger chance of a temper tantrum nuclear war.


Does he have any record of throwing temper tantrums? I don't mean twitter posts. I mean fistfights, brandishing a weapon, shoving matches, going on a rampage smashing things etc.


He claimed in his book "Art of The Deal" he punched his 2nd grade music teacher and gave him a black eye.

A reporter just revealed Trump threw things in childish tantrum after meeting with Pelosi and Schumer
Quote:
“He stormed out of the Oval, walked into an anteroom just off the Oval Office and had in his hand a folder of briefing papers. And he just scattered them out of frustration — threw them across the room,” Stokols said on MSNBC’s “Hardball,” according to his own discussions with White House officials.


Donald Trump's 5 Biggest Tantrums: From Smashed-Up Furniture To Anti-Boat Bias
Quote:
While having a poke around his Plaza Hotel in Atlantic City in 1989, Trump lost it when he came face-to-face with an armoire he didn't like and "in an expletive-laced explosion, he ripped the door off the subpar piece of furniture", according to CNN.


Most of his life he has gotten his way, now he is not, that is the concern.


Emphasis on the timeline, second grade.

Regarding the armoire, it sounds to me like something that if Gordon Ramsey did it, no one would bat an eye. Besides, it was his armoire that he wanted gone.


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01 Feb 2019, 8:36 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
EzraS wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Due to:

Nuclear weapons - largely due to the trump administration’s policies.

And man made climate change.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/24/world/ ... n.com%252F

Seems accurate.

It should be 2 seconds to midnight not because of any of Trump’s nuclear policies but because of Trump’s “personality”. The scarily ironic thing is the more he loses the bigger chance of a temper tantrum nuclear war.


Does he have any record of throwing temper tantrums? I don't mean twitter posts. I mean fistfights, brandishing a weapon, shoving matches, going on a rampage smashing things etc.


He claimed in his book "Art of The Deal" he punched his 2nd grade music teacher and gave him a black eye.

A reporter just revealed Trump threw things in childish tantrum after meeting with Pelosi and Schumer
Quote:
“He stormed out of the Oval, walked into an anteroom just off the Oval Office and had in his hand a folder of briefing papers. And he just scattered them out of frustration — threw them across the room,” Stokols said on MSNBC’s “Hardball,” according to his own discussions with White House officials.


Donald Trump's 5 Biggest Tantrums: From Smashed-Up Furniture To Anti-Boat Bias
Quote:
While having a poke around his Plaza Hotel in Atlantic City in 1989, Trump lost it when he came face-to-face with an armoire he didn't like and "in an expletive-laced explosion, he ripped the door off the subpar piece of furniture", according to CNN.


Most of his life he has gotten his way, now he is not, that is the concern.


That's good research. I was honestly wondering. But breaking one piece of his own furniture once and scattering some paper once, tells me he doesn't come anywhere close to having a history of throwing actual temper tantrums. I have a feeling that running a hotel and casino empire whatever was pretty stressful demanding work that I doubt went smoothly all the time. So personally I'm not going to loose any sleep over the notion of him literally going nuclear.