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14 Feb 2019, 10:37 pm

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The elder was not surrounded - he had exit routes. He chose the course of action he did, whether you think it's right or wrong. But he could have easily walked away.


They are all around him in a circle. He was surrounded. Possibly being able to exit doesn't mean he wasn't surrounded.


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14 Feb 2019, 10:38 pm

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I think Goldfish, and the rest of us, do know what we're talking about.


Some us seem to, others don't really. I think there's a difference between being versed on a topic like this and having an opinion based on what's gleened from the media.

How can the 1% have their income taxed when they're not on a salary or paid hourly like the 79%? And how can that be adjusted?


Are you serious?


He might be.. he is only 18, and not entering his final year of business school like I was at 18. It may be a genuine question from someone who doesn’t see a solution himself. Let’s wait and see what he says.


I’m curious - which business school did you go to? BCIT?


Yes.


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14 Feb 2019, 10:47 pm

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I hope you got a refund from that business school.


Dude I'm pretty sure that's the entire point of business school.


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I knew what you meant, but that's not what I was talking about.

Incidentally though he reported being $110k in debt and bankrupt some years after he had completed business school.


As I've been transparent about for the last several years, yes. I had a business partnership go sideways + my ASD & comorbid symptoms were off the charts and I couldn't function in life well enough to work. I exhausted all credit, and then was bankrupt. Fast forward to today and I've been working full time for the last ~6 years and have tens of thousands of dollars in investments - which peaked at North of six figures in the black 13 months ago.

Feel free to go back and read my story again for a reminder. Despite my education, I was spinning my wheels and making mistakes, getting frustrated, and didn't know why.. undiagnosed AS - my brain and nervous system not functioning properly, not letting me make the best decisions and financial moves; much like many here on these forums. It resulted in financial ruin. I've since learned how to treat and control the AS well enough to function to work full time & more fully participate in life - and in turn I've made some money.


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15 Feb 2019, 3:41 am

An American who makes north of six figures will be getting a really good tax break this year.

Although they might consider the government letting them keep more of their own money the worst thing ever.

The government won't be able to rip-off people who can't afford sky-high Obamacare any longer either.



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15 Feb 2019, 12:14 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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Trump can say any lie, and his followers will believe it. Many of them either dismiss his lack of personal morality, or even say that his affairs with Stormy Daniels and others, as well as his less than honest business dealings are "fake news." Just recently at El Paso, after Trump had whipped his fans into an anti-media frenzy, one of the red hats had attacked a BBC cameraman. That's not normal. That's a cultic devotion.


It could be said that there is a cultic devotion to MSM which is constantly whipping people into a frenzy, which generates zillions of dollars for them. The Jan 18th Lincoln Memorial incident was one of the best examples of that.


MSM... the stuff for arthritis?


I apologize for confusing you with an abbreviation. To clarify; mainstream media (MSM) is a term and abbreviation used to refer collectively to the various large mass news media that influence a large number of people, and both reflect and shape prevailing currents of thought.


The mainstream media hardly has a cultic following. They hardly have the ability to make people believe something that can't possibly be. Even a smoke-and-mirrors operation like Fox fesses up to spewing misinformation... eventually. But with Trump, you have him telling his MAGA hats at rallies that they shouldn't trust what they see or hear about him. The fact that so many of them then do it is the epitome of cultish devotion.


It's all about influence. The view of many regarding events that take place is influenced by the media. They read and or listen to a biased spin on things and go along with it. A lot of media whips people into a frenzy by over exaggerating and misleading people to generate revenue.

Leftist media is obviously on the attack regarding MAGA hat wearers as was clearly demonstrated by its coverage of the Jan 18th Lincoln Memorial incident. Not that it wasn't obvious before that.


The black Israelite douchebags were hardly whipped into a frenzy by the media, but were just douchebags. When the Native American guy tried to intervene between the two groups as a peace maker, the MAGA kids apparently didn't understand what he was doing. I fail to see how the the media had whipped up any of that.


Way to move the goalposts. They were calling the kids "fa**ots", "n**gers", called the black kid an "uncle Tom" and one of the Natives an "uncle Tomahawk". If white men in MAGA hats were talking like that the media would lose it and you'd be going nuts too.
The Native guy was banging the drum like an inch from the kid's ear, he did well not to lash out at him.

The media whipped up such hysteria and people like Kathy Griffin were pleading for the kid's address to be made public and there are left wing thugs looking for the poor kid. That's the insane media.


Nobody in the media defended what Eric Cartman would call, "black a$$holes," and in fact pointed that out that they had instigated trouble with the kids.
He was more than a little inch away from the kids ears.
The media in fact went on to explain the misunderstanding.


The media lied and got caught out, they also have massive double standards and incite violence and you defend it.


You had a bunch of kids wearing MAGA hat surrounding an elderly Native American man, mimicking him with smug, entitled grins. I think at first glance, anyone could misconstrue what was going on, particularly if they hadn't known what had preceded the incident. It hardly means the media lied.


Oh get a grip. You're more upset about a kid smiling when he's got an adult smashing a drum near his ear than you are about the black Israelites being homophobic, racist and aggressive to children and Natives. So save the phony outrage. It shows you don't actually care about racism or homophobia, you just jump on the anti white bandwagon and hate Trump. The media LIED, stop making excuses for the race baiting lying media.


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15 Feb 2019, 12:18 pm

He wasn't SURROUNDED lol. He walked in amongst them and they weren't stopping him from leaving. The whole situation exposes that liberals don't care about racism or homophobia.


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15 Feb 2019, 7:03 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Trump can say any lie, and his followers will believe it. Many of them either dismiss his lack of personal morality, or even say that his affairs with Stormy Daniels and others, as well as his less than honest business dealings are "fake news." Just recently at El Paso, after Trump had whipped his fans into an anti-media frenzy, one of the red hats had attacked a BBC cameraman. That's not normal. That's a cultic devotion.


It could be said that there is a cultic devotion to MSM which is constantly whipping people into a frenzy, which generates zillions of dollars for them. The Jan 18th Lincoln Memorial incident was one of the best examples of that.


MSM... the stuff for arthritis?


I apologize for confusing you with an abbreviation. To clarify; mainstream media (MSM) is a term and abbreviation used to refer collectively to the various large mass news media that influence a large number of people, and both reflect and shape prevailing currents of thought.


The mainstream media hardly has a cultic following. They hardly have the ability to make people believe something that can't possibly be. Even a smoke-and-mirrors operation like Fox fesses up to spewing misinformation... eventually. But with Trump, you have him telling his MAGA hats at rallies that they shouldn't trust what they see or hear about him. The fact that so many of them then do it is the epitome of cultish devotion.


It's all about influence. The view of many regarding events that take place is influenced by the media. They read and or listen to a biased spin on things and go along with it. A lot of media whips people into a frenzy by over exaggerating and misleading people to generate revenue.

Leftist media is obviously on the attack regarding MAGA hat wearers as was clearly demonstrated by its coverage of the Jan 18th Lincoln Memorial incident. Not that it wasn't obvious before that.


The black Israelite douchebags were hardly whipped into a frenzy by the media, but were just douchebags. When the Native American guy tried to intervene between the two groups as a peace maker, the MAGA kids apparently didn't understand what he was doing. I fail to see how the the media had whipped up any of that.


Way to move the goalposts. They were calling the kids "fa**ots", "n**gers", called the black kid an "uncle Tom" and one of the Natives an "uncle Tomahawk". If white men in MAGA hats were talking like that the media would lose it and you'd be going nuts too.
The Native guy was banging the drum like an inch from the kid's ear, he did well not to lash out at him.

The media whipped up such hysteria and people like Kathy Griffin were pleading for the kid's address to be made public and there are left wing thugs looking for the poor kid. That's the insane media.


Nobody in the media defended what Eric Cartman would call, "black a$$holes," and in fact pointed that out that they had instigated trouble with the kids.
He was more than a little inch away from the kids ears.
The media in fact went on to explain the misunderstanding.


The media lied and got caught out, they also have massive double standards and incite violence and you defend it.


You had a bunch of kids wearing MAGA hat surrounding an elderly Native American man, mimicking him with smug, entitled grins. I think at first glance, anyone could misconstrue what was going on, particularly if they hadn't known what had preceded the incident. It hardly means the media lied.


Oh get a grip. You're more upset about a kid smiling when he's got an adult smashing a drum near his ear than you are about the black Israelites being homophobic, racist and aggressive to children and Natives. So save the phony outrage. It shows you don't actually care about racism or homophobia, you just jump on the anti white bandwagon and hate Trump. The media LIED, stop making excuses for the race baiting lying media.


No, I have nothing but contempt for the black Israelites, and yes, I understand that they were the ones who had instigated the whole situation. But I do not believe the media lied about anything, as the situation with the old man and the teens suddenly erupted out of nowhere. As for those smirking kids - they had the same kind of self satisfied, smug smirk that only the well-to-do entitled have, so what's not to hate?


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15 Feb 2019, 7:35 pm

It's ridiculous how you are judging kids by them smiling. Yet you made excuses for the sadistic media and the thug Israelites.


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15 Feb 2019, 8:11 pm

White people who aren't poor are entitled elitist bastards.

Then again white people who are poor are ignorant anti-science hillbilly bastards.

Liberalism; that ingenious plan that tricks gullible white people into being prejudiced against white people.



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15 Feb 2019, 9:20 pm

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It's ridiculous how you are judging kids by them smiling. Yet you made excuses for the sadistic media and the thug Israelites.


Sadistic media... yeah, okay, if you're talking about Fox or Breitbart.
Where did you get the notion I ever defended the black Israelites? I'm pretty sure I described them as thugs, as well.


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15 Feb 2019, 9:25 pm

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White people who aren't poor are entitled elitist bastards.

Then again white people who are poor are ignorant anti-science hillbilly bastards.

Liberalism; that ingenious plan that tricks gullible white people into being prejudiced against white people.


Er... no. I'm prejudiced against anyone who's an entitled, elitist bastard, or an ignorant, anti-science hillbilly, regardless of skin color. But when you're in a country with a white majority, it stands to figure that most of these flawed individuals will be white.
Am I supposed to dismiss idiocy or elitism simply because the offender by coincidence shares the same skin color as me?


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Kraichgauer wrote:
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White people who aren't poor are entitled elitist bastards.

Then again white people who are poor are ignorant anti-science hillbilly bastards.

Liberalism; that ingenious plan that tricks gullible white people into being prejudiced against white people.


Er... no. I'm prejudiced against anyone who's an entitled, elitist bastard, or an ignorant, anti-science hillbilly, regardless of skin color. But when you're in a country with a white majority, it stands to figure that most of these flawed individuals will be white.
Am I supposed to dismiss idiocy or elitism simply because the offender by coincidence shares the same skin color as me?


It's not regardless of skin color though. It's especially because of skin color. That's why it's always white people instead of just people.

I try not to adress the individual when discussing topical matters, but I bet if I searched your post history for the word "white" I would see a pretty large number of times you have written it. And I'd also bet the majority of those times it was a display of contempt.



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15 Feb 2019, 10:28 pm

The kid being "privileged" isn't really the issue, because if he wasn't, then liberalism would view him as redneck hillbilly trash.

The maga hat isn't really the issue because if the kid had been black or brown, there wouldn't have been as much or any fuss really.

What it seems to boil down to is the kid was white.



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15 Feb 2019, 11:01 pm

Are we going to pretend that white privilege & white trash no longer exist in America? :? Both exist.


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15 Feb 2019, 11:05 pm

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An American who makes north of six figures will be getting a really good tax break this year.

Although they might consider the government letting them keep more of their own money the worst thing ever.

The government won't be able to rip-off people who can't afford sky-high Obamacare any longer either.



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