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17 Feb 2019, 6:43 pm

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The truth will sound bizarre to you yes.



Oh, I've always believed the W. Bush administration had had a hit list for Middle Eastern countries. But where is the real evidence that Obama carried on that plan? Obama saw a chance for change in Libya with the Arab Spring without taking into account the mess Bush had left in Iraq. Sometimes people just can't keep from repeating stupid mistakes.


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17 Feb 2019, 6:58 pm

:| The evidence is he did carry it on and invade more countries. US foreign policy doesn't change no matter which party is in. People just make excuses for it when their team does it. I.just told you it's in the Clinton emails. They aren't f**king mistakes. It's not a damn 'Arab Spring', it is the US supporting terrorists to otherthrow leaders they don't like. There are cables posted by Wikileaks in 2006 showing the US planned to remove Assad even then. Nothing to do with morality or mistakes.


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17 Feb 2019, 8:16 pm

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Because they were invaders. Surely if the USA, the most powerful country in the world with the most military might, were being invaded by anyone there would be swift military action to put a stop to it. Instead, you have immigrants that for whatever reason you don't particularly care for. Get over it.


Well we could take military action, but we decided to try fencing them out instead. I care enough for the millions of needy people already here, to want millions more pouring in here illegally.



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17 Feb 2019, 8:27 pm

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Because they were invaders. Surely if the USA, the most powerful country in the world with the most military might, were being invaded by anyone there would be swift military action to put a stop to it. Instead, you have immigrants that for whatever reason you don't particularly care for. Get over it.


Well we could take military action, but we decided to try fencing them out instead. I care enough for the millions of needy people already here, to want millions more pouring in here illegally.


The only place Millions of illegal immigrants are streaming over the Southern border into the USA is in trump's mind.

Most of the 11 Million undocumented immigrants in the USA arrived by airplane and overstayed their work or travel visas.

And the reason they haven't all been removed from the country is because they're good for business. Cheap labour getting undesirable jobs done that Americans refuse to do. Everyone is making too much money from their labour to want to kick them all out.

If you truly thought that getting undocumented Mexican immigrants out of the USA was in the best interest of the nation, you'd be petitioning your government at all levels to have severe consequences for any American or American corporation caught employing & exploiting their labour. If no one was willing to hire them because of the financial penalties or jail time they would face, then they would stop coming to your country seeking work.


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17 Feb 2019, 8:28 pm

AOC is the last person I'd be listening to for any serious political conversation.


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17 Feb 2019, 10:43 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
:| The evidence is he did carry it on and invade more countries. US foreign policy doesn't change no matter which party is in. People just make excuses for it when their team does it. I.just told you it's in the Clinton emails. They aren't f**king mistakes. It's not a damn 'Arab Spring', it is the US supporting terrorists to otherthrow leaders they don't like. There are cables posted by Wikileaks in 2006 showing the US planned to remove Assad even then. Nothing to do with morality or mistakes.


And Donald Trump of all people is supposed to be the paragon of morality, bringing peace to the world?


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17 Feb 2019, 10:56 pm

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EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Because they were invaders. Surely if the USA, the most powerful country in the world with the most military might, were being invaded by anyone there would be swift military action to put a stop to it. Instead, you have immigrants that for whatever reason you don't particularly care for. Get over it.


Well we could take military action, but we decided to try fencing them out instead. I care enough for the millions of needy people already here, to want millions more pouring in here illegally.


The only place Millions of illegal immigrants are streaming over the Southern border into the USA is in trump's mind.

Most of the 11 Million undocumented immigrants in the USA arrived by airplane and overstayed their work or travel visas.

And the reason they haven't all been removed from the country is because they're good for business. Cheap labour getting undesirable jobs done that Americans refuse to do. Everyone is making too much money from their labour to want to kick them all out.

If you truly thought that getting undocumented Mexican immigrants out of the USA was in the best interest of the nation, you'd be petitioning your government at all levels to have severe consequences for any American or American corporation caught employing & exploiting their labour. If no one was willing to hire them because of the financial penalties or jail time they would face, then they would stop coming to your country seeking work.


Broader control issues and border fences existed long before Trump. It's been a major problem for decades that's gotten progressively worse.



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17 Feb 2019, 11:20 pm

EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Because they were invaders. Surely if the USA, the most powerful country in the world with the most military might, were being invaded by anyone there would be swift military action to put a stop to it. Instead, you have immigrants that for whatever reason you don't particularly care for. Get over it.


Well we could take military action, but we decided to try fencing them out instead. I care enough for the millions of needy people already here, to want millions more pouring in here illegally.


The only place Millions of illegal immigrants are streaming over the Southern border into the USA is in trump's mind.

Most of the 11 Million undocumented immigrants in the USA arrived by airplane and overstayed their work or travel visas.

And the reason they haven't all been removed from the country is because they're good for business. Cheap labour getting undesirable jobs done that Americans refuse to do. Everyone is making too much money from their labour to want to kick them all out.

If you truly thought that getting undocumented Mexican immigrants out of the USA was in the best interest of the nation, you'd be petitioning your government at all levels to have severe consequences for any American or American corporation caught employing & exploiting their labour. If no one was willing to hire them because of the financial penalties or jail time they would face, then they would stop coming to your country seeking work.


Broader control issues and border fences existed long before Trump. It's been a major problem for decades that's gotten progressively worse.



Show me the numbers. What proof can you provide that there's been an increasing number of illegal border crossings? Hint: You can't. Because illegal border crossings on America's Southern border are at their lowest point in decades.


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17 Feb 2019, 11:30 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Because they were invaders. Surely if the USA, the most powerful country in the world with the most military might, were being invaded by anyone there would be swift military action to put a stop to it. Instead, you have immigrants that for whatever reason you don't particularly care for. Get over it.


Well we could take military action, but we decided to try fencing them out instead. I care enough for the millions of needy people already here, to want millions more pouring in here illegally.


The only place Millions of illegal immigrants are streaming over the Southern border into the USA is in trump's mind.

Most of the 11 Million undocumented immigrants in the USA arrived by airplane and overstayed their work or travel visas.

And the reason they haven't all been removed from the country is because they're good for business. Cheap labour getting undesirable jobs done that Americans refuse to do. Everyone is making too much money from their labour to want to kick them all out.

If you truly thought that getting undocumented Mexican immigrants out of the USA was in the best interest of the nation, you'd be petitioning your government at all levels to have severe consequences for any American or American corporation caught employing & exploiting their labour. If no one was willing to hire them because of the financial penalties or jail time they would face, then they would stop coming to your country seeking work.


Broader control issues and border fences existed long before Trump. It's been a major problem for decades that's gotten progressively worse.



Show me the numbers. What proof can you provide that there's been an increasing number of illegal border crossings? Hint: You can't. Because illegal border crossings on America's Southern border are at their lowest point in decades.


That's because of the crackdown you're protesting.



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18 Feb 2019, 12:01 am

EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Because they were invaders. Surely if the USA, the most powerful country in the world with the most military might, were being invaded by anyone there would be swift military action to put a stop to it. Instead, you have immigrants that for whatever reason you don't particularly care for. Get over it.


Well we could take military action, but we decided to try fencing them out instead. I care enough for the millions of needy people already here, to want millions more pouring in here illegally.


The only place Millions of illegal immigrants are streaming over the Southern border into the USA is in trump's mind.

Most of the 11 Million undocumented immigrants in the USA arrived by airplane and overstayed their work or travel visas.

And the reason they haven't all been removed from the country is because they're good for business. Cheap labour getting undesirable jobs done that Americans refuse to do. Everyone is making too much money from their labour to want to kick them all out.

If you truly thought that getting undocumented Mexican immigrants out of the USA was in the best interest of the nation, you'd be petitioning your government at all levels to have severe consequences for any American or American corporation caught employing & exploiting their labour. If no one was willing to hire them because of the financial penalties or jail time they would face, then they would stop coming to your country seeking work.


Broader control issues and border fences existed long before Trump. It's been a major problem for decades that's gotten progressively worse.



Show me the numbers. What proof can you provide that there's been an increasing number of illegal border crossings? Hint: You can't. Because illegal border crossings on America's Southern border are at their lowest point in decades.


That's because of the crackdown you're protesting.


It's for a number of reasons. Regardless, there isn't a growing illegal immigration problem on your Southern border and thus no justification for a wall.


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18 Feb 2019, 12:29 am

goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Because they were invaders. Surely if the USA, the most powerful country in the world with the most military might, were being invaded by anyone there would be swift military action to put a stop to it. Instead, you have immigrants that for whatever reason you don't particularly care for. Get over it.


Well we could take military action, but we decided to try fencing them out instead. I care enough for the millions of needy people already here, to want millions more pouring in here illegally.


The only place Millions of illegal immigrants are streaming over the Southern border into the USA is in trump's mind.

Most of the 11 Million undocumented immigrants in the USA arrived by airplane and overstayed their work or travel visas.

And the reason they haven't all been removed from the country is because they're good for business. Cheap labour getting undesirable jobs done that Americans refuse to do. Everyone is making too much money from their labour to want to kick them all out.

If you truly thought that getting undocumented Mexican immigrants out of the USA was in the best interest of the nation, you'd be petitioning your government at all levels to have severe consequences for any American or American corporation caught employing & exploiting their labour. If no one was willing to hire them because of the financial penalties or jail time they would face, then they would stop coming to your country seeking work.


Broader control issues and border fences existed long before Trump. It's been a major problem for decades that's gotten progressively worse.



Show me the numbers. What proof can you provide that there's been an increasing number of illegal border crossings? Hint: You can't. Because illegal border crossings on America's Southern border are at their lowest point in decades.


That's because of the crackdown you're protesting.


It's for a number of reasons. Regardless, there isn't a growing illegal immigration problem on your Southern border and thus no justification for a wall.


Actually as seen with the advent of caravans, more than ever are trying to get in, but are being kept out more efficiently.

In pointing out the fact that illegal border crossings on America's Southern border are at their lowest point in decades, you are showing that is plenty of justification for a stronger barrier and that it's working.



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18 Feb 2019, 1:24 am

EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Because they were invaders. Surely if the USA, the most powerful country in the world with the most military might, were being invaded by anyone there would be swift military action to put a stop to it. Instead, you have immigrants that for whatever reason you don't particularly care for. Get over it.


Well we could take military action, but we decided to try fencing them out instead. I care enough for the millions of needy people already here, to want millions more pouring in here illegally.


The only place Millions of illegal immigrants are streaming over the Southern border into the USA is in trump's mind.

Most of the 11 Million undocumented immigrants in the USA arrived by airplane and overstayed their work or travel visas.

And the reason they haven't all been removed from the country is because they're good for business. Cheap labour getting undesirable jobs done that Americans refuse to do. Everyone is making too much money from their labour to want to kick them all out.

If you truly thought that getting undocumented Mexican immigrants out of the USA was in the best interest of the nation, you'd be petitioning your government at all levels to have severe consequences for any American or American corporation caught employing & exploiting their labour. If no one was willing to hire them because of the financial penalties or jail time they would face, then they would stop coming to your country seeking work.


Broader control issues and border fences existed long before Trump. It's been a major problem for decades that's gotten progressively worse.



Show me the numbers. What proof can you provide that there's been an increasing number of illegal border crossings? Hint: You can't. Because illegal border crossings on America's Southern border are at their lowest point in decades.


That's because of the crackdown you're protesting.


It's for a number of reasons. Regardless, there isn't a growing illegal immigration problem on your Southern border and thus no justification for a wall.


Actually as seen with the advent of caravans, more than ever are trying to get in, but are being kept out more efficiently.

In pointing out the fact that illegal border crossings on America's Southern border are at their lowest point in decades, you are showing that is plenty of justification for a stronger barrier and that it's working.


If it doesn't exist yet, how can it be working? :?


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18 Feb 2019, 1:44 am

It's a foregone conclusion that existing enhanced fortification is working. Therefore an even greater enhancement would be even more effective.



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18 Feb 2019, 1:47 am

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It's a foregone conclusion that existing enhanced fortification is working. Therefore an even greater enhancement would be even more effective.


..except that your country's illegal immigration problem is not happening via it's Southern border.. so increased anything there, whether officers, drones, walls or moats, will do approximately sweet F all to solve the problem of illegal immigrants arriving by airplane and overstaying their visas. What part of that are you having difficulty comprehending? :?


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