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18 Feb 2019, 2:15 pm

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How do you keep missing where I've said that I'm not in favor of a 30+ billion dollar wall?


Did you miss the part where that's the cost estimate for trump's vanity project that you support? :?


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18 Feb 2019, 2:20 pm

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How do you keep missing where I've said that I'm not in favor of a 30+ billion dollar wall?


Did you miss the part where that's the cost estimate for trump's vanity project that you support? :?


How do you keep missing where I've said I'm not in support of Trump's great wall of china copy? Are you really having that much difficulty deciphering the margin between a great wall of china copy and the augmentation of barriers that already exist? You display having a one track mind.



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18 Feb 2019, 2:27 pm

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18 Feb 2019, 3:02 pm

Even his $5.7B “pro rated downpayment,” (?? BS) is a complete waste of money for ineffective fencing that does not solve America’s problem with illegal immigration.. because those 11 Million people did not arrive by walking over the border. Full stop. There is no counter argument to facts.


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18 Feb 2019, 5:11 pm

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So first there's been tons of belly aching over them being kept from crossing the border and now the tune has switched to most of them don't cross the border that way.


Yes, it's not necessary for that very reason, demonstrating that a wall would go down in history as Trump's Boondoggle.


If ground barriers were not keeping out illegal immigrants then why was there so much belly aching over them being kept out that way? There's an obvious contradiction taking place.


Wait a minute, I thought the primary reason for the wall, according to your side of the aisle, was to keep out drugs. So it's really about keeping out "certain kind of people?"


Yes the certain kind of kind people who get in illegally.

Do I need to keep posting Bill Clinton's speech on the problems of illegal immigrants and the necessity of curtailing it by increased border control? Your side of the isle was all for it at one time.

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But neither Clinton, Obama, or either Bush spoke of Latinos in such ugly, racist terms, blaming them for drugs, rape, and murder. There's a reason why white nationalists so eagerly embraced Trump.


A complaint of a couple of cities outside of Seattle, is that Seattle is sending their tweakers and such to them. Trump's complaint was that Mexico is sending their worst people to the US.

It seems instead of people listening to the actual wording and putting it into context, they're letting the media misinterpret for them.

"They're sending us their worst people, their rapist, their murderers..."

Not they're sending us their worst people, they're rapists, they're murderers...

It's pretty easy to tell what's actually being said... when you really want to know.

And the worst part of all is the left themselves are saying Mexico and Central America is full of drugs, rape and murder... Which is why the caravans exist.

"It's just awful and racist that Trump said Central America is full of drugs, rape and muderer."

"Those people are fleeing from all the drugs, rape and murder in Central America."


You're really going out of your way to rationalize Trump's bigotry. Just how do you know if Trump was saying "They're," or "their?" Trump probably doesn't even know the difference between those two words.
Yes, Mexico and the rest of Latin America have terrible problems with rape, drugs, and murder. That's why so many innocent people there are trying to reach the US. Conservatives who claim that there are no such threats in Latin countries, but who say undocumented immigrants are bringing those things to America, are the problem.


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19 Feb 2019, 2:54 am

I'm just pointing out which seems more likely contextually.

So on one hand it's racist bigotry if Trump says Latin countries are full of rape, drugs and murder; but on the other hand you're saying Latin countries are full of rape, drugs and murder.



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19 Feb 2019, 3:14 am

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I'm just pointing out which seems more likely contextually.

So on one hand it's racist bigotry if Trump says Latin countries are full of rape, drugs and murder; but on the other hand you're saying Latin countries are full of rape, drugs and murder.


No, it's racist to accuse frightened, desperate refugees fleeing to America of such things when they're trying to escape the people perpetrating those very things.


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19 Feb 2019, 5:18 am

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I'm just pointing out which seems more likely contextually.

So on one hand it's racist bigotry if Trump says Latin countries are full of rape, drugs and murder; but on the other hand you're saying Latin countries are full of rape, drugs and murder.


No, it's racist to accuse frightened, desperate refugees fleeing to America of such things when they're trying to escape the people perpetrating those very things.


Since it's agreed that Central America is full of rape drugs and murder, the concern is the rape drugs and murder entering the US by bypassing border crossings.

Those who argue this intentionally or unintentionally don't seem to undersand the difference between gaining admission and sneaking in.

There's no way to know for sure how many are sneaking in or knowing what kind of people they are, because they sneak in undetected.

The only thing to go by is how many are actually caught sneaking in.

Which means there could be ten times more entering unnoticed.



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19 Feb 2019, 5:50 am

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Even his $5.7B “pro rated downpayment,” (?? BS) is a complete waste of money for ineffective fencing that does not solve America’s problem with illegal immigration.. because those 11 Million people did not arrive by walking over the border. Full stop. There is no counter argument to facts.


That's 11 million from all over the world who can be accounted for by commercial travel records and expired visas.

How do they keep count of those who sneak across the border on land undetected?



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19 Feb 2019, 6:07 am

EzraS wrote:
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I'm just pointing out which seems more likely contextually.

So on one hand it's racist bigotry if Trump says Latin countries are full of rape, drugs and murder; but on the other hand you're saying Latin countries are full of rape, drugs and murder.


No, it's racist to accuse frightened, desperate refugees fleeing to America of such things when they're trying to escape the people perpetrating those very things.


Since it's agreed that Central America is full of rape drugs and murder, the concern is the rape drugs and murder entering the US by bypassing border crossings.

Those who argue this intentionally or unintentionally don't seem to undersand the difference between gaining admission and sneaking in.

There's no way to know for sure how many are sneaking in or knowing what kind of people they are, because they sneak in undetected.

The only thing to go by is how many are actually caught sneaking in.

Which means there could be ten times more entering unnoticed.


Unless they are asylum seekers, in which there is nothing illegal. And even so, considering that immigrants - legal or illegal - commit fewer crimes than the native born, it's not such a stretch to extend to them some mercy in many cases.


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19 Feb 2019, 6:17 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I'm just pointing out which seems more likely contextually.

So on one hand it's racist bigotry if Trump says Latin countries are full of rape, drugs and murder; but on the other hand you're saying Latin countries are full of rape, drugs and murder.


No, it's racist to accuse frightened, desperate refugees fleeing to America of such things when they're trying to escape the people perpetrating those very things.


Since it's agreed that Central America is full of rape drugs and murder, the concern is the rape drugs and murder entering the US by bypassing border crossings.

Those who argue this intentionally or unintentionally don't seem to undersand the difference between gaining admission and sneaking in.

There's no way to know for sure how many are sneaking in or knowing what kind of people they are, because they sneak in undetected.

The only thing to go by is how many are actually caught sneaking in.

Which means there could be ten times more entering unnoticed.


Unless they are asylum seekers, in which there is nothing illegal. And even so, considering that immigrants - legal or illegal - commit fewer crimes than the native born, it's not such a stretch to extend to them some mercy in many cases.


The problem isn't those coming in though border crossings . How many times does something that blatantly obvious have to be pointed out?

How does one know how many crimes are committed by those who sneak in undetected?

How many unsolved crimes are there? How many have been committed without anyone being caught? How many crimes go unreported?



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19 Feb 2019, 7:49 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I'm just pointing out which seems more likely contextually.

So on one hand it's racist bigotry if Trump says Latin countries are full of rape, drugs and murder; but on the other hand you're saying Latin countries are full of rape, drugs and murder.


No, it's racist to accuse frightened, desperate refugees fleeing to America of such things when they're trying to escape the people perpetrating those very things.


Since it's agreed that Central America is full of rape drugs and murder, the concern is the rape drugs and murder entering the US by bypassing border crossings.

Those who argue this intentionally or unintentionally don't seem to undersand the difference between gaining admission and sneaking in.

There's no way to know for sure how many are sneaking in or knowing what kind of people they are, because they sneak in undetected.

The only thing to go by is how many are actually caught sneaking in.

Which means there could be ten times more entering unnoticed.


If you're going to get hyperbolic, why stop there? :? ThErE cOuLd Be BiLlIoNs TiMeS mOrE eNtErInG uNnOtIcEd!1!1 :roll:

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19 Feb 2019, 7:52 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I'm just pointing out which seems more likely contextually.

So on one hand it's racist bigotry if Trump says Latin countries are full of rape, drugs and murder; but on the other hand you're saying Latin countries are full of rape, drugs and murder.


No, it's racist to accuse frightened, desperate refugees fleeing to America of such things when they're trying to escape the people perpetrating those very things.


Since it's agreed that Central America is full of rape drugs and murder, the concern is the rape drugs and murder entering the US by bypassing border crossings.

Those who argue this intentionally or unintentionally don't seem to undersand the difference between gaining admission and sneaking in.

There's no way to know for sure how many are sneaking in or knowing what kind of people they are, because they sneak in undetected.

The only thing to go by is how many are actually caught sneaking in.

Which means there could be ten times more entering unnoticed.


Unless they are asylum seekers, in which there is nothing illegal. And even so, considering that immigrants - legal or illegal - commit fewer crimes than the native born, it's not such a stretch to extend to them some mercy in many cases.


The problem isn't those coming in though border crossings . How many times does something that blatantly obvious have to be pointed out?

How does one know how many crimes are committed by those who sneak in undetected?

How many unsolved crimes are there? How many have been committed without anyone being caught? How many crimes go unreported?


You'll have to do some research and find out where your government's federal crime statistics come from. Don't fret, google will help you. :)


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19 Feb 2019, 8:02 am

goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I'm just pointing out which seems more likely contextually.

So on one hand it's racist bigotry if Trump says Latin countries are full of rape, drugs and murder; but on the other hand you're saying Latin countries are full of rape, drugs and murder.


No, it's racist to accuse frightened, desperate refugees fleeing to America of such things when they're trying to escape the people perpetrating those very things.


Since it's agreed that Central America is full of rape drugs and murder, the concern is the rape drugs and murder entering the US by bypassing border crossings.

Those who argue this intentionally or unintentionally don't seem to undersand the difference between gaining admission and sneaking in.

There's no way to know for sure how many are sneaking in or knowing what kind of people they are, because they sneak in undetected.

The only thing to go by is how many are actually caught sneaking in.

Which means there could be ten times more entering unnoticed.


If you're going to get hyperbolic, why stop there? :? ThErE cOuLd Be BiLlIoNs TiMeS mOrE eNtErInG uNnOtIcEd!1!1 :roll:


Okay;

The only thing to go by is how many are actually caught sneaking in.

Which means there could be several times more entering unnoticed.



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19 Feb 2019, 8:07 am

The important thing here is the political influence of money. While we are bickering about poor Hispanics who are more law abiding than Americans, Republicans are stealing trillions from the treasury.