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13 Feb 2019, 12:01 am

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Trump can say any lie, and his followers will believe it. Many of them either dismiss his lack of personal morality, or even say that his affairs with Stormy Daniels and others, as well as his less than honest business dealings are "fake news." Just recently at El Paso, after Trump had whipped his fans into an anti-media frenzy, one of the red hats had attacked a BBC cameraman. That's not normal. That's a cultic devotion.


It could be said that there is a cultic devotion to MSM which is constantly whipping people into a frenzy, which generates zillions of dollars for them. The Jan 18th Lincoln Memorial incident was one of the best examples of that.



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13 Feb 2019, 12:10 am

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Trump can say any lie, and his followers will believe it. Many of them either dismiss his lack of personal morality, or even say that his affairs with Stormy Daniels and others, as well as his less than honest business dealings are "fake news." Just recently at El Paso, after Trump had whipped his fans into an anti-media frenzy, one of the red hats had attacked a BBC cameraman. That's not normal. That's a cultic devotion.


It could be said that there is a cultic devotion to MSM which is constantly whipping people into a frenzy, which generates zillions of dollars for them. The Jan 18th Lincoln Memorial incident was one of the best examples of that.


MSM... the stuff for arthritis?


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13 Feb 2019, 12:12 am

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Basically all the bickering between the left and right in congress is nothing more than political theater, designed to perpetuate the "divide and conquer" agenda. It's a lot like professional wrestling.

Give up, give in, you are powerless, go to sleep, do nothing, roll over...



I dearly love irony. I know you won't understand that, but others will.

That's what you want. You want us to think we are powerless over a fascist takeover. We are not. You want us to think our vote doesn't count, and yet you support politicians who apparently think voting is so important that they will break the law in order to suppress the vote. Go back to sleep.



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13 Feb 2019, 12:19 am

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Basically all the bickering between the left and right in congress is nothing more than political theater, designed to perpetuate the "divide and conquer" agenda. It's a lot like professional wrestling.

Give up, give in, you are powerless, go to sleep, do nothing, roll over...



I dearly love irony. I know you won't understand that, but others will.

That's what you want. You want us to think we are powerless over a fascist takeover. We are not. You want us to think our vote doesn't count, and yet you support politicians who apparently think voting is so important that they will break the law in order to suppress the vote. Go back to sleep.


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13 Feb 2019, 12:23 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Trump can say any lie, and his followers will believe it. Many of them either dismiss his lack of personal morality, or even say that his affairs with Stormy Daniels and others, as well as his less than honest business dealings are "fake news." Just recently at El Paso, after Trump had whipped his fans into an anti-media frenzy, one of the red hats had attacked a BBC cameraman. That's not normal. That's a cultic devotion.


It could be said that there is a cultic devotion to MSM which is constantly whipping people into a frenzy, which generates zillions of dollars for them. The Jan 18th Lincoln Memorial incident was one of the best examples of that.


MSM... the stuff for arthritis?


I apologize for confusing you by using an abbreviation you're obviously unfamiliar with.

To clarify; MSM (mainstream media) is a term and abbreviation used to refer collectively to the various large mass news media that influence a large number of people, and both reflect and shape prevailing currents of thought.



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13 Feb 2019, 12:33 am

EzraS wrote:
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Trump can say any lie, and his followers will believe it. Many of them either dismiss his lack of personal morality, or even say that his affairs with Stormy Daniels and others, as well as his less than honest business dealings are "fake news." Just recently at El Paso, after Trump had whipped his fans into an anti-media frenzy, one of the red hats had attacked a BBC cameraman. That's not normal. That's a cultic devotion.


It could be said that there is a cultic devotion to MSM which is constantly whipping people into a frenzy, which generates zillions of dollars for them. The Jan 18th Lincoln Memorial incident was one of the best examples of that.


MSM... the stuff for arthritis?


I apologize for confusing you with an abbreviation. To clarify; mainstream media (MSM) is a term and abbreviation used to refer collectively to the various large mass news media that influence a large number of people, and both reflect and shape prevailing currents of thought.


The mainstream media hardly has a cultic following. They hardly have the ability to make people believe something that can't possibly be. Even a smoke-and-mirrors operation like Fox fesses up to spewing misinformation... eventually. But with Trump, you have him telling his MAGA hats at rallies that they shouldn't trust what they see or hear about him. The fact that so many of them then do it is the epitome of cultish devotion.


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13 Feb 2019, 12:38 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Trump can say any lie, and his followers will believe it. Many of them either dismiss his lack of personal morality, or even say that his affairs with Stormy Daniels and others, as well as his less than honest business dealings are "fake news." Just recently at El Paso, after Trump had whipped his fans into an anti-media frenzy, one of the red hats had attacked a BBC cameraman. That's not normal. That's a cultic devotion.


It could be said that there is a cultic devotion to MSM which is constantly whipping people into a frenzy, which generates zillions of dollars for them. The Jan 18th Lincoln Memorial incident was one of the best examples of that.


MSM... the stuff for arthritis?


I apologize for confusing you with an abbreviation. To clarify; mainstream media (MSM) is a term and abbreviation used to refer collectively to the various large mass news media that influence a large number of people, and both reflect and shape prevailing currents of thought.


The mainstream media hardly has a cultic following. They hardly have the ability to make people believe something that can't possibly be. Even a smoke-and-mirrors operation like Fox fesses up to spewing misinformation... eventually. But with Trump, you have him telling his MAGA hats at rallies that they shouldn't trust what they see or hear about him. The fact that so many of them then do it is the epitome of cultish devotion.


Yep. I just listened to a clip at a rally where trump says "America will never be a socialist country!" and the crowd cheers. Wtf? He has people cheering for not taxing the rich & for not having universal healthcare. THAT is cultish devotion.


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13 Feb 2019, 1:01 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Trump can say any lie, and his followers will believe it. Many of them either dismiss his lack of personal morality, or even say that his affairs with Stormy Daniels and others, as well as his less than honest business dealings are "fake news." Just recently at El Paso, after Trump had whipped his fans into an anti-media frenzy, one of the red hats had attacked a BBC cameraman. That's not normal. That's a cultic devotion.


It could be said that there is a cultic devotion to MSM which is constantly whipping people into a frenzy, which generates zillions of dollars for them. The Jan 18th Lincoln Memorial incident was one of the best examples of that.


MSM... the stuff for arthritis?


I apologize for confusing you with an abbreviation. To clarify; mainstream media (MSM) is a term and abbreviation used to refer collectively to the various large mass news media that influence a large number of people, and both reflect and shape prevailing currents of thought.


The mainstream media hardly has a cultic following. They hardly have the ability to make people believe something that can't possibly be. Even a smoke-and-mirrors operation like Fox fesses up to spewing misinformation... eventually. But with Trump, you have him telling his MAGA hats at rallies that they shouldn't trust what they see or hear about him. The fact that so many of them then do it is the epitome of cultish devotion.


Yep. I just listened to a clip at a rally where trump says "America will never be a socialist country!" and the crowd cheers. Wtf? He has people cheering for not taxing the rich & for not having universal healthcare. THAT is cultish devotion.


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13 Feb 2019, 1:02 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Trump can say any lie, and his followers will believe it. Many of them either dismiss his lack of personal morality, or even say that his affairs with Stormy Daniels and others, as well as his less than honest business dealings are "fake news." Just recently at El Paso, after Trump had whipped his fans into an anti-media frenzy, one of the red hats had attacked a BBC cameraman. That's not normal. That's a cultic devotion.


It could be said that there is a cultic devotion to MSM which is constantly whipping people into a frenzy, which generates zillions of dollars for them. The Jan 18th Lincoln Memorial incident was one of the best examples of that.


MSM... the stuff for arthritis?


I apologize for confusing you with an abbreviation. To clarify; mainstream media (MSM) is a term and abbreviation used to refer collectively to the various large mass news media that influence a large number of people, and both reflect and shape prevailing currents of thought.


The mainstream media hardly has a cultic following. They hardly have the ability to make people believe something that can't possibly be. Even a smoke-and-mirrors operation like Fox fesses up to spewing misinformation... eventually. But with Trump, you have him telling his MAGA hats at rallies that they shouldn't trust what they see or hear about him. The fact that so many of them then do it is the epitome of cultish devotion.


It's all about influence. The view of many regarding events that take place is influenced by the media. They read and or listen to a biased spin on things and go along with it. A lot of media whips people into a frenzy by over exaggerating and misleading people to generate revenue.

Leftist media is obviously on the attack regarding MAGA hat wearers as was clearly demonstrated by its coverage of the Jan 18th Lincoln Memorial incident. Not that it wasn't obvious before that.



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13 Feb 2019, 1:03 am

AspE wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
AspE wrote:
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Basically all the bickering between the left and right in congress is nothing more than political theater, designed to perpetuate the "divide and conquer" agenda. It's a lot like professional wrestling.

Give up, give in, you are powerless, go to sleep, do nothing, roll over...



I dearly love irony. I know you won't understand that, but others will.

That's what you want. You want us to think we are powerless over a fascist takeover. We are not. You want us to think our vote doesn't count, and yet you support politicians who apparently think voting is so important that they will break the law in order to suppress the vote. Go back to sleep.



The takeover of our system happened a very long time ago. It's called an oligarchy -- not fascism. Go look up both terms, familiarize yourself with them, and come back to the conversation. Otherwise, you're just embarrassing yourself.


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Yep. I just listened to a clip at a rally where trump says "America will never be a socialist country!" and the crowd cheers. Wtf? He has people cheering for not taxing the rich & for not having universal healthcare. THAT is cultish devotion.


Are you saying many Americans wouldn't cheer the statement of "America will never be a socialist country!" if someone else said it? Or wouldn't have cheered it before Trump became president?



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13 Feb 2019, 1:15 am

EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
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Trump can say any lie, and his followers will believe it. Many of them either dismiss his lack of personal morality, or even say that his affairs with Stormy Daniels and others, as well as his less than honest business dealings are "fake news." Just recently at El Paso, after Trump had whipped his fans into an anti-media frenzy, one of the red hats had attacked a BBC cameraman. That's not normal. That's a cultic devotion.


It could be said that there is a cultic devotion to MSM which is constantly whipping people into a frenzy, which generates zillions of dollars for them. The Jan 18th Lincoln Memorial incident was one of the best examples of that.


MSM... the stuff for arthritis?


I apologize for confusing you with an abbreviation. To clarify; mainstream media (MSM) is a term and abbreviation used to refer collectively to the various large mass news media that influence a large number of people, and both reflect and shape prevailing currents of thought.


The mainstream media hardly has a cultic following. They hardly have the ability to make people believe something that can't possibly be. Even a smoke-and-mirrors operation like Fox fesses up to spewing misinformation... eventually. But with Trump, you have him telling his MAGA hats at rallies that they shouldn't trust what they see or hear about him. The fact that so many of them then do it is the epitome of cultish devotion.


It's all about influence. The view of many regarding events that take place is influenced by the media. They read and or listen to a biased spin on things and go along with it. A lot of media whips people into a frenzy by over exaggerating and misleading people to generate revenue.

Leftist media is obviously on the attack regarding MAGA hat wearers as was clearly demonstrated by its coverage of the Jan 18th Lincoln Memorial incident. Not that it wasn't obvious before that.


The black Israelite douchebags were hardly whipped into a frenzy by the media, but were just douchebags. When the Native American guy tried to intervene between the two groups as a peace maker, the MAGA kids apparently didn't understand what he was doing. I fail to see how the the media had whipped up any of that.


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13 Feb 2019, 1:22 am

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Yep. I just listened to a clip at a rally where trump says "America will never be a socialist country!" and the crowd cheers. Wtf? He has people cheering for not taxing the rich & for not having universal healthcare. THAT is cultish devotion.


Are you saying many Americans wouldn't cheer the statement of "America will never be a socialist country!" if someone else said it? Or wouldn't have cheered it before Trump became president?


I'm saying that the "socialist," things that trump opposes, like taxing the wealthy & providing healthcare for all citizens like most of the rest of the first world manages to do, are things that would benefit the very people that are cheering for not having them. The only reason to cheer something like that is because the guy saying the words has you under some sort of cult leader like spell.


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13 Feb 2019, 2:33 am

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Yep. I just listened to a clip at a rally where trump says "America will never be a socialist country!" and the crowd cheers. Wtf? He has people cheering for not taxing the rich & for not having universal healthcare. THAT is cultish devotion.


Are you saying many Americans wouldn't cheer the statement of "America will never be a socialist country!" if someone else said it? Or wouldn't have cheered it before Trump became president?


I'm saying that the "socialist," things that trump opposes, like taxing the wealthy & providing healthcare for all citizens like most of the rest of the first world manages to do, are things that would benefit the very people that are cheering for not having them. The only reason to cheer something like that is because the guy saying the words has you under some sort of cult leader like spell.


Concepts like tax cuts and non-socialized medicine was popular among many millions of Americans before Trump.



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13 Feb 2019, 2:44 am

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Yep. I just listened to a clip at a rally where trump says "America will never be a socialist country!" and the crowd cheers. Wtf? He has people cheering for not taxing the rich & for not having universal healthcare. THAT is cultish devotion.


Are you saying many Americans wouldn't cheer the statement of "America will never be a socialist country!" if someone else said it? Or wouldn't have cheered it before Trump became president?


I'm saying that the "socialist," things that trump opposes, like taxing the wealthy & providing healthcare for all citizens like most of the rest of the first world manages to do, are things that would benefit the very people that are cheering for not having them. The only reason to cheer something like that is because the guy saying the words has you under some sort of cult leader like spell.


Concepts like tax cuts and non-socialized medicine was popular among many millions of Americans before Trump.


I think the majority of Americans were against tax cuts for the rich, and non-socialized medicine.
Promises that just one more tax cut will lead to riches for all Americans, or that rugged individualism will make Americans soldier through illness and injury has never materialized.


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13 Feb 2019, 3:11 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Yep. I just listened to a clip at a rally where trump says "America will never be a socialist country!" and the crowd cheers. Wtf? He has people cheering for not taxing the rich & for not having universal healthcare. THAT is cultish devotion.


Are you saying many Americans wouldn't cheer the statement of "America will never be a socialist country!" if someone else said it? Or wouldn't have cheered it before Trump became president?


I'm saying that the "socialist," things that trump opposes, like taxing the wealthy & providing healthcare for all citizens like most of the rest of the first world manages to do, are things that would benefit the very people that are cheering for not having them. The only reason to cheer something like that is because the guy saying the words has you under some sort of cult leader like spell.


Concepts like tax cuts and non-socialized medicine was popular among many millions of Americans before Trump.


I think the majority of Americans were against tax cuts for the rich, and non-socialized medicine.
Promises that just one more tax cut will lead to riches for all Americans, or that rugged individualism will make Americans soldier through illness and injury has never materialized.


The tax cuts don't apply to only the rich. Although some seem to consider anyone earning beyond the minimum wage bracket as being rich according to their standard of living.

I've read people who barely make a living and therefore contributing very little to taxes, complaining about not getting a tax cut.

Many Americans have had to tough it out because they could not afford the huge premium gigantic deductible health insurance that Obamacare left them with.

What I heard in Trump's proposal was the plan to replace Obamacare with a system that had reduced premiums and deductibles.



It seems that got translated into him wanting to take away the nearly free subsidized health insurance low income and indigent people are getting.

While others are having to work overtime or a second job to be able to afford health insurance.

Although I have a relative who went the opposite route and became low income enough to get his healthcare covered.