Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on political influence of money

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14 Feb 2019, 4:49 am

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I think Goldfish, and the rest of us, do know what we're talking about.


Some us seem to, others don't really. I think there's a difference between being versed on a topic like this and having an opinion based on what's gleened from the media.

How can the 1% have their income taxed when they're not on a salary or paid hourly like the 79%? And how can that be adjusted?



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14 Feb 2019, 4:56 am

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Her solution is to make people at the "tippy top" pay. She actually used those words. A true free market could work rather than the crony capitalism the US has now.


But, when people use that freedom to choose things like socialized health care, then the free market people complain.


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14 Feb 2019, 5:40 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I think Goldfish, and the rest of us, do know what we're talking about.


Some us seem to, others don't really. I think there's a difference between being versed on a topic like this and having an opinion based on what's gleened from the media.

How can the 1% have their income taxed when they're not on a salary or paid hourly like the 79%? And how can that be adjusted?


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bill- ... 2019-02-12

https://nordic.businessinsider.com/bill ... ?r=US&IR=T


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•The billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates says there's a "misfocus" in the way America's wealthiest residents are taxed.
•He told The Verge's Nilay Patel that if you focus on raising the ordinary income tax rate for America's superrich, "you're missing the picture." The highest earners often have wealth tied to company stock, which isn't taxed as "ordinary income," Gates said.
•"We can be more progressive without really threatening income generation - what you have left to decide how to spread around," he said.


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14 Feb 2019, 6:20 am

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EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I think Goldfish, and the rest of us, do know what we're talking about.


Some us seem to, others don't really. I think there's a difference between being versed on a topic like this and having an opinion based on what's gleened from the media.

How can the 1% have their income taxed when they're not on a salary or paid hourly like the 79%? And how can that be adjusted?


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bill- ... 2019-02-12

https://nordic.businessinsider.com/bill ... ?r=US&IR=T


Quote:
•The billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates says there's a "misfocus" in the way America's wealthiest residents are taxed.
•He told The Verge's Nilay Patel that if you focus on raising the ordinary income tax rate for America's superrich, "you're missing the picture." The highest earners often have wealth tied to company stock, which isn't taxed as "ordinary income," Gates said.
•"We can be more progressive without really threatening income generation - what you have left to decide how to spread around," he said.


I would rather hear in their own words a summation of such matters, rather than link after link.

Personally I am already familiar with Gates' opinions, which in part led me to ask what I did. Gates' proposal lies in the areas of estate and capital gains taxing of the 1%.



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14 Feb 2019, 6:33 am

Not a topic I'm well versed in, but I remember reading that article and thought it was an interesting point.


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14 Feb 2019, 7:45 am

Probably cynicism on my part, but often when I'm trying to converse or debate I feel like I'm talking to a pontificating mouthpiece parrot. And when I try to go deeper the deflecting and or evading starts taking place. In the form of ad hominems or keyword googled links or silly repartee.



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14 Feb 2019, 8:10 am

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It seems EzraS is overlooking the simple fact that the 1% do not have 1% of the wealth - the 1% have the lion's share of the wealth.. so, the 1% not paying taxes = a MASSIVE tax burden for the working class.


What I said is that if the 1% pay little to no tax, what difference does it make if they get a tax cut?

Whereas a tax cut makes big difference to the 79%.


They pay very little in taxes largely because of tax cuts, why should they get even more breaks?

Here’s a good article on what trump’s tax cuts cost.. bottom line: at Least $1 Trillion over the next 10 years. That’s what difference it makes if they get a tax cut.

https://www.thebalance.com/cost-of-trum ... ts-4586645


Is an internet article all you have to go on?


Would you prefer I found one in print or printed off a hard copy & mailed it to you? Like wtf is the difference that the source is an article on the internet? That's where MOST news articles are published these days. :? :? :?


I'd like to see you demonstrate that you actually know what you're talking about. Googling up more links isn't going suffice.

Edit: if you're crunching right now, that means you don't actually know what you're talking about.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You expect everyone here to be a first hand subject matter expert in every topic discussed?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Ridiculous and you know it.


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14 Feb 2019, 8:14 am

EzraS wrote:
Probably cynicism on my part, but often when I'm trying to converse or debate I feel like I'm talking to a pontificating mouthpiece parrot. And when I try to go deeper the deflecting and or evading starts taking place. In the form of ad hominems or keyword googled links or silly repartee.


:lol: Whatever, dude. You ask people to cite sources, we provide links, but apparently the goal post moves and we’re required to go complete a Masters in Exonomics or w/e and then conduct our own interviews of the 1% and compile a report on their taxation in order to discuss something.

Get real. This is the Information Age. Everyone googles everything and comes up with pretty accurate info in mere moments.


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14 Feb 2019, 9:06 am

I have no such degree. I just dig below the surface. Funny how those who bandy words like "ignorant" begrudge being asked for a demonstration of actual accumulated knowledge. I get weary of the antics posers resort to when pressed, when all I'm seeking is deeper meaningful discourse.



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14 Feb 2019, 12:28 pm

One don't need to be a expert to see that trickle down economy don't work, one only has to look at reality, either from today or in history, to see it don't.

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14 Feb 2019, 12:28 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
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Trump can say any lie, and his followers will believe it. Many of them either dismiss his lack of personal morality, or even say that his affairs with Stormy Daniels and others, as well as his less than honest business dealings are "fake news." Just recently at El Paso, after Trump had whipped his fans into an anti-media frenzy, one of the red hats had attacked a BBC cameraman. That's not normal. That's a cultic devotion.


It could be said that there is a cultic devotion to MSM which is constantly whipping people into a frenzy, which generates zillions of dollars for them. The Jan 18th Lincoln Memorial incident was one of the best examples of that.


MSM... the stuff for arthritis?


I apologize for confusing you with an abbreviation. To clarify; mainstream media (MSM) is a term and abbreviation used to refer collectively to the various large mass news media that influence a large number of people, and both reflect and shape prevailing currents of thought.


The mainstream media hardly has a cultic following. They hardly have the ability to make people believe something that can't possibly be. Even a smoke-and-mirrors operation like Fox fesses up to spewing misinformation... eventually. But with Trump, you have him telling his MAGA hats at rallies that they shouldn't trust what they see or hear about him. The fact that so many of them then do it is the epitome of cultish devotion.


It's all about influence. The view of many regarding events that take place is influenced by the media. They read and or listen to a biased spin on things and go along with it. A lot of media whips people into a frenzy by over exaggerating and misleading people to generate revenue.

Leftist media is obviously on the attack regarding MAGA hat wearers as was clearly demonstrated by its coverage of the Jan 18th Lincoln Memorial incident. Not that it wasn't obvious before that.


The black Israelite douchebags were hardly whipped into a frenzy by the media, but were just douchebags. When the Native American guy tried to intervene between the two groups as a peace maker, the MAGA kids apparently didn't understand what he was doing. I fail to see how the the media had whipped up any of that.


Way to move the goalposts. They were calling the kids "fa**ots", "n**gers", called the black kid an "uncle Tom" and one of the Natives an "uncle Tomahawk". If white men in MAGA hats were talking like that the media would lose it and you'd be going nuts too.
The Native guy was banging the drum like an inch from the kid's ear, he did well not to lash out at him.

The media whipped up such hysteria and people like Kathy Griffin were pleading for the kid's address to be made public and there are left wing thugs looking for the poor kid. That's the insane media.


Nobody in the media defended what Eric Cartman would call, "black a$$holes," and in fact pointed that out that they had instigated trouble with the kids.
He was more than a little inch away from the kids ears.
The media in fact went on to explain the misunderstanding.


The media lied and got caught out, they also have massive double standards and incite violence and you defend it.


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14 Feb 2019, 12:31 pm

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Her solution is to make people at the "tippy top" pay. She actually used those words. A true free market could work rather than the crony capitalism the US has now.


But, when people use that freedom to choose things like socialized health care, then the free market people complain.


That isn't a free market.


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14 Feb 2019, 12:44 pm

EzraS wrote:
I have no such degree. I just dig below the surface. Funny how those who bandy words like "ignorant" begrudge being asked for a demonstration of actual accumulated knowledge. I get weary of the antics posers resort to when pressed, when all I'm seeking is deeper meaningful discourse.


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14 Feb 2019, 5:12 pm

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One don't need to be a expert to see that trickle down economy don't work, one only has to look at reality, either from today or in history, to see it don't.


Yep one don't need to know what they're talking about. Shallow blanket statements will suffice.



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14 Feb 2019, 6:11 pm

EzraS wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
One don't need to be a expert to see that trickle down economy don't work, one only has to look at reality, either from today or in history, to see it don't.


Yep one don't need to know what they're talking about. Shallow blanket statements will suffice.


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Have you not paid attention to any of the posts in this thread explaining to you that trickle down economics is a myth perpetuated by the wealthy as its in their own rational self interest? :?

Some of us have taken multiple economics classes and do know what we are talking about.


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