Trump executive order no free speech on campus, grants cut

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Trump says he’ll sign executive order for free speech on college campuses

Not a Trump fan but good on him for this one.

Well done. About time.

As they say the devil is in the details. The idea is good in concept but this administration has a history of both overpromising and its opposite overcorrecting.

Good. There are enough crazy admins out there who think truth is "hate speech."

Free speech is already protected on college and university campuses nationwide; thus, if a conservative proselytizer gets punched in the face, his perpetrator will be dealt with accordingly by the police. What Trump really wants is a law which says something like: "Conservatives are free to proselytize on college and university campuses and must be given ample protection by the institute of higher learning."

Not only do schools not have those kind of guarding resources, but a blanket protection order could mean any group (since fair is fair) is free to preach their school-protected beliefs on campus, from the New Black Panther Party to the KKK to the Nation of Islam to the Proud Boys. Now, can you imagine being on a campus where, every day, college-protected groups are preaching from their bullhorn on this and that subject? Now only would the security costs be sky high, but the din would be so distracting that no one would learn anything and going to that school would be a waste of time.

And, of course, there's that pesky little document called the First Amendment of the US Constitution to contend with which prevents the government from making laws which respect an establishment of religion. This was applied by the US Supreme Court at the Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District vs Grumet in 1994. To wit:

"The court, in an opinion by Justice Souter, held that the creation of a school district unit of government designed to coincide with the neighborhood boundaries of a religious group constitutes an unconstitutional aid to religion. Souter concluded that "government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_of_ ... _v._Grumet

LOL at the above. We're seeing moderate conservative speakers "no platformed" every day now. That's not protecting free speech.

It's pretty easy to discern which of Trump's core constituencies this executive order panders to.

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Hate Speech": (1) Speech that attacks a person or a group on the basis of attributes such as race, religion, ethnic origin, national origin, sex, disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity; (2) Speech, gestures, conduct, writing, or displays that incite violence or prejudicial actions against a group or individuals on the basis of their membership in the group, or disparages or intimidates a group, or individuals on the basis of their membership in the group.

Unfortunately, even under these terms, "Hate Speech" is constitutionally protected in the United States.

So, even if the speech is "truth" (regardless of who defines it as "truth"), it is hate speech if it is used as a form of attack, or if it is perceived as a form of attack.

Meh it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

That said College in this country is in a lot of ways a gigantic scam. Ridiculous tuition costs so even if you do graduate you likely still owe a ton of money. And well if you don't graduate...you're in debt and you don't even have a degree to seek a 'high paying career' so you just start being already behind.

Also the whole thing with the frats and sororities, is extremely toxic...who thought it would be a good idea to have on campus cults...

Frats, sororities, and inter-collegiate sports teams are all a waste of time, money and effort to someone who just wants to earn a degree.