Trump: Illegal Immigrants Released to Sanctuary Cities

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16 Apr 2019, 12:46 am

Id rather they move some immigrants into all the new housing they are building around denver, rather than snooty yuppies who can pay 12,000 a month on a fancy upscale apartment.


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16 Apr 2019, 1:58 am

They say Asian investors are largely to blame for all the fancy upscale apartment and condo buildings taking over.



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16 Apr 2019, 3:22 am

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Unless the statue of liberty has lost it's symbolic purpose the leaders of these sanctuary cities are actually the last true Americans...except of cause native americans...


The French did not built the Statue of Liberty as a symbol of immigration. It was given as a gift to the US in commemoration of the alliance between France and the United States during the American Revolution, and was built around the time of the 1876 Centennial.


Yeah I know but doesn't it still carry symbolism for "give me your tired, hungry and poor" unless of course that still only applies to countries trump doesn't consider a sh++hole like Norway?



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16 Apr 2019, 4:08 am

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Unless the statue of liberty has lost it's symbolic purpose the leaders of these sanctuary cities are actually the last true Americans...except of cause native americans...


The French did not built the Statue of Liberty as a symbol of immigration. It was given as a gift to the US in commemoration of the alliance between France and the United States during the American Revolution, and was built around the time of the 1876 Centennial.


Yeah I know but doesn't it still carry symbolism for "give me your tired, hungry and poor" unless of course that still only applies to countries trump doesn't consider a sh++hole like Norway?


The poet Emma Lazarus was commissioned to come up with something to be inscribed and that's what she came up with on her own.

The question is, does a gift from France and poem a person came up with nearly 150 years ago, constitute that the United States has an extraordinary obligation to take people in by the millions forever. Or that since the US took in millions at Ellis Island, it must continue doing so forever and in ever increasing numbers?

There are already thosands of tired, hungry, poor, huddled masses among American citizens. But hey, lets keep increasing those numbers.

As far as s**thole countries, why is it all these people are poring in again? Because those countries are what? Nice places? How many people from Norway are clamoring to get into the US?



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16 Apr 2019, 4:57 am

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since the US took in millions at Ellis Island, it must continue doing so forever and in ever increasing numbers?
There are already thosands of tired, hungry, poor, huddled masses among American citizens.

Yeah I know the drill....we are full...but didn't you say there's plenty of space in Arizona?

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far as s**thole countries, why is it all these people are poring in again? Because those countries are what? Nice places? How many people from Norway are clamoring to get into the US?

Norwegians and Danes have the best welfare system in the world, free education, health and a generous pension. I have relatives who moved to Denmark and Sweden for work and the people there are honestly the best. They would never leave those shores to take a chance on America.



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16 Apr 2019, 6:52 am

cyberdad wrote:
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since the US took in millions at Ellis Island, it must continue doing so forever and in ever increasing numbers?
There are already thosands of tired, hungry, poor, huddled masses among American citizens.

Yeah I know the drill....we are full...but didn't you say there's plenty of space in Arizona?


I stated the fact that there is plenty of unpopulated space throughout the US for wildlife. But what does that have to do with the thousands of tired, hungry, poor huddled masses among American citizens? Spreading them out into the wilderness wouldn't alleviate the problem.

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far as s**thole countries, why is it all these people are poring in again? Because those countries are what? Nice places? How many people from Norway are clamoring to get into the US?

Norwegians and Danes have the best welfare system in the world, free education, health and a generous pension. I have relatives who moved to Denmark and Sweden for work and the people there are honestly the best. They would never leave those shores to take a chance on America.


So Norway is a better country than those countries in Central and South America. You make it clear how crappy those countries are and how nice Norway is, yet when Trump says the same thing, he's being racist.



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16 Apr 2019, 8:26 am

These "Sanctuary Cities" are engaged in virtue signalling -- they want to be known as bastions of liberal democracy, but when given the chance to demonstrate their alleged concern for illegal immigrants (e.g., Mr. Trump offering to ship all illegal immigrants to the Sanctuary Cities), they balk at the idea, rally their legal teams, and threaten to fight it in the courts.

:roll: Virtue Signalling: (1) A term for the conspicuous expression of moral values; (2) A term used to describe empty or superficial support of certain political views; (3) A term used within political, religious or social groups to criticize their own members for valuing appearance over action, or for not holding the same values which that group considers to be morally unquestionable.


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16 Apr 2019, 8:34 am

I wonder if they're going to start saying 'build the wall' next.



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16 Apr 2019, 8:39 am

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I wonder if they're going to start saying 'build the wall' next.
Probably will when The Donald delivers the first busloads of huddled masses yearning to breathe free.


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16 Apr 2019, 8:46 am

Like the virtue signalling celebrities that go quiet when talk shifts to them accommodating some of these people.

Empty words. Just like when they said they'd leave America if Trump got elected. Some were obviously joking, but most wanted you to take them seriously.



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16 Apr 2019, 8:49 am

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Like the virtue signalling celebrities that go quiet when talk shifts to them accommodating some of these people.
Yes, and like the ordinary virtue signalling SJWs that go quiet when I suggest that each one of them take a homeless person off the street to feed them, clothe them, house them, and provide medical care for them in their own homes.

Amazing how many "advocates of social justice" will STFU when they're told to make their actions match their words.


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16 Apr 2019, 8:54 am

Fnord wrote:
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Like the virtue signalling celebrities that go quiet when talk shifts to them accommodating some of these people.
Yes, and like the ordinary virtue signalling SJWs that go quiet when I suggest that each one of them take a homeless person off the street to feed them, clothe them, house them, and provide medical care for them in their own homes.

Amazing how many "advocates of social justice" will STFU when they're told to make their actions match their words.

It's all about personal aggrandizement.



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16 Apr 2019, 9:01 am

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It's all about personal aggrandizement.
A.K.A., "Virtue Signalling".


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16 Apr 2019, 9:20 am

On the topic, this is a genius move by Trump.

Trump is no intellectual by any stretch of the imagination. But what everyone seems to miss about this man is his "people intelligence" for lack of a better word. The man has been under constant assault since the day he entered the 2016 race, and yet he sits in the White House and his approval rating has been absolutely rock solid the entire time despite the frenzied efforts of his opposition to bring him down, while the approval rating of the media has plummeted.

He knows people, he understands people keenly. He knows how to size people up and get the measure of them, he knows how to get what he wants from them, how to deal with them, and how to just deflect everything they throw at him, it all just bounces off. He knows how to inspire his supporters. I can't recall any political figure continuing to sell merchandise after the campaign is over. They're still pumping out those MAGA hats and other merchandise. That Twitter feed of his for all the criticism it gets also works in his favour.

He has other attributes. He's 72 and has the energy of a man half his age and the wife to match. He never looks at all tired or worn down. He just keeps right on going while his opponents get bent out of shape and afflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome.

It's crazy that his opponents just keep right on going with the tactics that have utterly failed from day 1. They need to be better than Trump if they want to beat him. They can't win by dragging him down, at least not the ways they try to anyway. It just doesn't work, you can't drag him down and they're just hurting themselves in the process. They need to focus on moving their own approval rating, not Trump's.



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16 Apr 2019, 9:43 am

Yeah, we get it ... trump is a people-player, not a planner.

It's the difference between a poker-player and a chess-master. He knows how to put his two cents in (how to ante), how to bluff, how to overplay, how to raise, how to call, and how to stick it in the faces of those whom he defeats. He treats each new hand as an entirely new game, yet never forgets that he is facing the same opponents he's faced before. He'll call a pair of deuces his "best hand ever" while downplaying another person's royal flush as only the "luck of the deal".

But I could probably put his king in check-mate in ten moves -- twenty moves, tops.


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16 Apr 2019, 9:45 am

Trump would be doing a good thing for many people if he did this. He would be reuniting people with their families. Many of those at the border have families who lives in these "sanctuary" areas--both legally and illegally.

Hopefully, this is not a ploy to "bring out" the family members who are already here illegally and living in those "sanctuary" areas.