Trump accused of rape by prominent advice columnist

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21 Jun 2019, 3:39 pm

Advice columnist E. Jean Carroll details alleged rape by Trump in 1990s

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A famous advice columnist has come forward to allege that President Donald Trump attacked her in the 1990s in a dressing room. The alleged actions ― as described by columnist E. Jean Carroll in graphic detail ― would clearly constitute rape.

Carroll is the 16th woman to accuse Trump of sexual misconduct. In an excerpt of her upcoming book, “What Do We Need Men For? A Modest Proposal,” published Friday by New York Magazine, she described her encounter with the real estate mogul.

Carroll says that in the mid-1990s, she was in Bergdorf Goodman when she ran into Trump. Trump, recognizing her as a famous advice columnist, asked for her help to buy lingerie for an unnamed woman. Carroll, then 52, obliged and followed Trump to the lingerie department. Once there, the exchange turned violent, she writes

The moment the dressing-room door is closed, he lunges at me, pushes me against the wall, hitting my head quite badly, and puts his mouth against my lips. I am so shocked I shove him back and start laughing again. He seizes both my arms and pushes me up against the wall a second time, and, as I become aware of how large he is, he holds me against the wall with his shoulder and jams his hand under my coat dress and pulls down my tights.

I am astonished by what I’m about to write: I keep laughing. The next moment, still wearing correct business attire, shirt, tie, suit jacket, overcoat, he opens the overcoat, unzips his pants, and, forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me.

The now 75-year-old goes on to say it was a “colossal struggle” before she finally was able to “push him out and off,” and escape the department store.

The White House’s statement to New York Magazine on the alleged assault is that Carroll’s story “is a completely false and unrealistic story surfacing 25 years after allegedly taking place and was created simply to make the President look bad.”

Carroll told two friends about the attack. She wrote that she didn’t come forward sooner because “receiving death threats, being driven from my home, being dismissed, being dragged through the mud, and joining the 15 women who’ve come forward with credible stories about how the man grabbed, badgered, belittled, mauled, molested, and assaulted them, only to see the man turn it around, deny, threaten, and attack them, never sounded like much fun.”


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Elizabeth Jean Carroll (born December 12, 1943) is an American journalist and advice columnist. Her "Ask E. Jean" column has appeared in Elle magazine since 1993, and was ranked one of the five best magazine columns (along with Anthony Lane of The New Yorker and Lewis Lapham of Harper's Magazine) by the Chicago Tribune in 2003

Her column became known due to Carroll's opinions on sex, her insistence that women should "never never" structure their lives around men, and her compassion for letter-writers experiencing difficult life situations. Amy Gross, former editor-in-chief of Elle and currently the editor-in-chief of O, The Oprah Magazine, describes the "Ask E. Jean" debut as "though we had put her on a bucking bronco and her answers were the cheers and whoops and hollers of a fearless woman having a good ol time."

NBC’s cable channel, America's Talking, produced the Ask E. Jean television show based on the column from 1994-1996 (when the channel became MSNBC). Entertainment Weekly called Carroll "the most entertaining cable talk show host you will never see." Jeff Jarvis in his review in TV Guide said watching E. Jean and her "robotic hyperactivity drove [him] batty". He went on: "However then I listened to her, and couldn’t help liking her. E. Jean gives good advice". Carroll was nominated for an Emmy for her writing for Saturday Night Live (1985) and a Cable Ace Award for the Ask E. Jean show (1995).

Carroll also runs the AskEJean.com website, based on the Elle column, where users can type in questions and receive instant video answers on topics such as careers, beauty, sex, men, diet, "sticky situations", and friends. Users can also join the Advice Vixens, where advice is provided by other users. "Top Campus Sex Columnists" features college advice columnists from across America.

n 2002 Carroll's "The Cheerleaders" which appeared in Spin, was selected as one of the year's "Best True Crime Reporting" pieces. It appeared in Best American Crime Writing edited by Otto Penzler, Thomas H. Cook, Nicholas Pileggi (Pantheon Books, 2002).

Carroll has been a contributing editor to Esquire, Outside and Playboy magazines. Her focus is "the heart of the heart of the country". For an April 1992 issue of Esquire, she chronicled the lives of basketball groupies in a story called "Love in the Time of Magic". In June 1994, she went to Indiana and investigated why four white farm kids were thrown out of school for dressing like black artists in "The Return of the White Negro".

In "The Loves of My Life", (June 1995), she tracked down her old boyfriends and moved in with them and their wives.Bill Tonelli, her Esquire and Rolling Stone editor has commented that: "All of E. Jean’s stories are pretty much the same thing. Which is: ‘What is this person like when he or she is in a room with E. Jean?’ She’s institutionally incapable of being uninteresting."

For Playboy (February 1988) at the height of the "Sensitive Man" era, E. Jean told her editors that "modern women run around complaining that they want a primitive man, so I thought it would be fun to come to New Guinea and find a real one." Carroll hiked into the Star Mountains, with an Atbalmin tracker and a Telefomin warrior. She became the first white woman to walk from Telefomin to Munbil in the former West Irian Jaya, and nearly died.

For Outside, Carroll wrote about (among other things) taking Fran Lebowitz camping and going down the Colorado with a group of "Women Who Run With No Clothes On". Several of E. Jean’s pieces for Outside have been included in various non-fiction collections such as The Best of Outside: The First 20 Years (Vintage Books, 1998), Out of the Noosphere: Adventure, Sports, Travel, and the Environment (Fireside, 1998) and Sand in My Bra: Funny Women Write from the Road (Traveler’s Tales, 2003).

E. Jean Carroll has written five books:

Female Difficulties: Sorority Sisters, Rodeo Queens, Frigid Women, Smut Stars, and Other Modern Girls (Bantam Books, 1985)
A Dog in Heat Is a Hot Dog and Other Rules to Live By (a collection of her Ask E. Jean columns, Pocket Books, 1996)
Hunter: The Strange and Savage Life of Hunter S. Thompson (Dutton, 1993)
Mr. Right, Right Now (HarperCollins, 2004)
What Do We Need Men For?: A Modest Proposal (St. Martin's Press, 2019)


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21 Jun 2019, 7:14 pm

And with multiple women coming forward how is it this isn't investigated further?

To be fair Trump's wealth and TV persona made him a rockstar with women basically throwing themselves at him in the 1990s, I think he probably thought he really could just grab anybody's p**** he wanted...



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21 Jun 2019, 7:41 pm

Well, one of the best things to have in an accusation is evidence, especially when it's a target the left is just dying to get rid of and will goto any length like attempting to frame a president after spying on him and those around him. Not to count the mass of accusations that have come out recently which have been proved to simply be to seek money. Like the latest accusation I heard of, women walks in, I think a bar, goes up to an actor, sits down with him and his women, she is a fan and his girlfriend is in between them, he grabs her hand to kiss it, then she comes out and says he grabbed her titty and fondled it. We have stepped into the days of looking at the wrong women can result in accusations of sexual harassment. I think this isn't going to pan out to great for society. How can people become intimately involved if they both fear being sued for making the wrong move, or in some cases without even making a bad mood. If we keep down this trail we will end up needing a signed contract agreeing to the possibility of making a move to prevent ones self from being sued. Hey there lady, would you sign this contract so I can ask you out?

Anyway, I know the world we live in now, with no proof the claim means nothing.



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21 Jun 2019, 8:28 pm

cyberdad wrote:
] I think he probably thought he really could just grab anybody's p**** he wanted...

That's rape.

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21 Jun 2019, 10:45 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
] I think he probably thought he really could just grab anybody's p**** he wanted...

That's rape.

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Yeah so why have so many Trump supporters not made this distinction when comparing with Bill Cosby? Both Cosby and Trump have so many women coming forward....



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21 Jun 2019, 10:46 pm

Crimadella wrote:
Well, one of the best things to have in an accusation is evidence, especially when it's a target the left is just dying to get rid of and will goto any length like attempting to frame a president after spying on him and those around him. Not to count the mass of accusations that have come out recently which have been proved to simply be to seek money. Like the latest accusation I heard of, women walks in, I think a bar, goes up to an actor, sits down with him and his women, she is a fan and his girlfriend is in between them, he grabs her hand to kiss it, then she comes out and says he grabbed her titty and fondled it. We have stepped into the days of looking at the wrong women can result in accusations of sexual harassment. I think this isn't going to pan out to great for society. How can people become intimately involved if they both fear being sued for making the wrong move, or in some cases without even making a bad mood. If we keep down this trail we will end up needing a signed contract agreeing to the possibility of making a move to prevent ones self from being sued. Hey there lady, would you sign this contract so I can ask you out?

Anyway, I know the world we live in now, with no proof the claim means nothing.


In that sense I take my hat of then to Keanu Reaves....what a gentleman!



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21 Jun 2019, 11:21 pm

...This is an accusation by someone who's a bit of a celebrity, a published writer and TV host (Though I'd never heard of her) - and she accuses him of genital penetration with his genitals - a " full " rape, in a manner of speaking. A serious accusation. She would have been in her 40s when the alleged incident happened.


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21 Jun 2019, 11:24 pm

Yes it's a fairly serious accusation.



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22 Jun 2019, 1:46 am

When it comes to the "grab 'em" line it seems to me he was bragging about what all women consent to when you're rich and famous.

The problem with the 1995 or 1996 assault accusation is there's no way to establish when it allegedly occurred, and therefore no way to establish where both parties were at the time.



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22 Jun 2019, 2:12 am

EzraS wrote:
When it comes to the "grab 'em" line it seems to me he was bragging about what all women consent to when you're rich and famous.

The problem with the 1995 or 1996 assault accusation is there's no way to establish when it allegedly occurred, and therefore no way to establish where both parties were at the time.



Really, so all women consent to having their genitals grabbed so long as the perpetrator is rich and famous? I mean for me I am pretty sure regardless of someones wealth status if they just reached out for my genitals I would not want anything more to do with them.

What a f*****g stupid idea that all women consent to sexual harassment so long as the harasser is rich are you high? on something that is not mellow marijuana? Or did you somehow mean something different from what you just typed...that trump was only bragging about what 'all' women consent to when you're rich and famous. What you think if you become rich and famous that gives you the right to grab womens genitals when you feel like it because you're 'rich and famous'? LIke that is seriously what you think that money gives you the godgiven right to sexually harrass people?


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22 Jun 2019, 2:57 am

the people in power now, powermongers all, get off on power. simple as that. megalomaniacs to a person. to such warped folk, the rest of us are just disposable playthings and nothing more.



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22 Jun 2019, 3:41 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
LIke that is seriously what you think that money gives you the godgiven right to sexually harrass people?
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/p ... l-assault/

https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/ne7y ... r-the-rich



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22 Jun 2019, 4:04 am

cyberdad wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
LIke that is seriously what you think that money gives you the godgiven right to sexually harrass people?
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/p ... l-assault/

https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/ne7y ... r-the-rich

i so wish i was a citizen of a civilized nation.



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22 Jun 2019, 4:18 am

The deep truth is pretty awful



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22 Jun 2019, 4:49 am

From what I understand a rich and or famous person can "score" much more readily than if they were not rich or famous. Like Gene Simmons says he's had sex with around 4,800 women. And I would guess that most of those women let him fondle their vagina in the process. As a matter of fact I would guess he's fondled quite a lot of women he didn't end up having full on sexual intercourse with. My guess is Gene Simmons is not saying that he harassed, assaulted or raped 4,800 women. And I think most likely not nearly as many women would have made out and had sex with Gene Simmons if he had lacked fame and wealth.

In engaging with a person sexually there is:
1st Base - Is Kissing.
2nd Base - Hands below the belt.
3rd Base - Oral sex.
4th Base - All the way, full intercourse.

So what I am saying is I think Trump was bragging about how getting to 2nd base is easy when you're a rich celebrity. Just as many other rich and famous men have bragged about their "scoring" with women. Even common men brag about that.



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22 Jun 2019, 5:13 am

Say, those who know about American laws, does rape get old in the eyes of the law in America? I mean, here we have some crimes that become out dated after a certain amount of time, meaning that if some proof was found afterwards, it would not get the criminal(s) punished if the time was up.