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05 Jul 2019, 1:29 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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If you're that closed minded where you make your mind before listening to the content, without knowing nothing about the people, then there's no point of your engaging in this thread.


Yes, when someone defends those who are obsessed with hate, and who want America's future to be one of
mass deportations of those with the wrong skin color, or who practice the wrong religion, or who want to physically attack someone for who they love, then I am closed minded. Especially when such persons lie about the senseless murder of a heroic young woman, I am indeed closed minded.


There's never a good time to be close minded. I don't know much about what happened outside of the nuts and bolts of it, but if how things unfolded is being disputed I want to analyze it objectively. Or at least concede that there might possibly be more to it than I've heard about.


Yep, and thanks for the adult response. Please listen to the video and give thoughts. Both have been residents of Charlottesville. We have to remember that the same media lying about this also lied about that MAGA kid with the hat and tried to make out that him smiling was evil Nazism. But the media got caught out with their lies there. Some people just see Nazis everywhere but didn't have a problem when Neo Nazis violently removed an elected leader in Ukraine for the Obama regime.


Nazis hardly represented all, or even most, of the Anti-Russian revolution who removed Putin's puppet. Besides, what does that have to do with what happened in Charlottesville?
You say you have a problem with Nazis in Ukraine, but not in America. Why?


Why do you keep REPEATING the same garbage points that I dealt with only a week or so ago. The ELECTED leader was elected by the people of Ukraine. The irony of you crowing about fake Nazis and supporting US backed neo Nazis in Ukraine removing that leader by violence is just beyond a joke. There are no "Nazis", they died off in 1945.


That so called elected leader of Ukraine was a Putin puppet, installed by Russian intelligence through election tampering.
Those weren't real Nazis at the Unite The Right rally? Funny, they believe the exact same things.
It's convenient for you right wingers to deny that there haven't been Nazis since 1945. There definitely have been, and are.
I keep repeating it because you're wrong.


That's another pile of tripe. And it shows cause the US PUPPET was destroyed at the next election. No, despite your Hollywood version of reality. You just see racism, Nazis and evil white people everywhere and can't have a rational conversation. I'm not going to waste another second replying to you.


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05 Jul 2019, 1:32 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
If you're that closed minded where you make your mind before listening to the content, without knowing nothing about the people, then there's no point of your engaging in this thread.


Yes, when someone defends those who are obsessed with hate, and who want America's future to be one of
mass deportations of those with the wrong skin color, or who practice the wrong religion, or who want to physically attack someone for who they love, then I am closed minded. Especially when such persons lie about the senseless murder of a heroic young woman, I am indeed closed minded.


There's never a good time to be close minded. I don't know much about what happened outside of the nuts and bolts of it, but if how things unfolded is being disputed I want to analyze it objectively. Or at least concede that there might possibly be more to it than I've heard about.


Yep, and thanks for the adult response. Please listen to the video and give thoughts. Both have been residents of Charlottesville. We have to remember that the same media lying about this also lied about that MAGA kid with the hat and tried to make out that him smiling was evil Nazism. But the media got caught out with their lies there. Some people just see Nazis everywhere but didn't have a problem when Neo Nazis violently removed an elected leader in Ukraine for the Obama regime.


Nazis hardly represented all, or even most, of the Anti-Russian revolution who removed Putin's puppet. Besides, what does that have to do with what happened in Charlottesville?
You say you have a problem with Nazis in Ukraine, but not in America. Why?


Why do you keep REPEATING the same garbage points that I dealt with only a week or so ago. The ELECTED leader was elected by the people of Ukraine. The irony of you crowing about fake Nazis and supporting US backed neo Nazis in Ukraine removing that leader by violence is just beyond a joke. There are no "Nazis", they died off in 1945.



It is expedient to use the term, "Nazi." That's the extent of the thought behind the use of the term Nazi today.

The Nazis of the Jewish Holocaust:

1. First identified and ostracized the Jews.
2. Made them wear the star of David
3. Shut down or stole their businesses and absorbed their wealth (money, homes, etc)
4. Moved them to ghettos
5. Moved them to concentration camps
6. Killed the ones least fit to work
7. Worked the fit ones to death
8. Experimented on them
9. When the war ended, they had no country, no where to go.
10. In 1948 Israel was resurrected so the Jews would have a land of their own.

There is no Nazi party on this planet, or the UN would be involved. That is huge part of why the UN was created, so that no other human rights violations such as this would ever occur again.

I expected to find more regimented autists on this page. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the ones who throw out terms and catch phrases when they do not match up with the definitions history has outlined for us.

The man in Charlottesville might not be an aberration, I'm sure there are others in this country who are just as full of hate and willing to do harm to someone based on color, nationality, etc... But, they will meet resistance. This behavior will not be adopted by the country and put into action by the government, as it was in Germany. Hence, it doesn't meet the definition or comparison of "Nazi." It is a convenient catch-phrase to stir easy outrage by lazy protesters who really don't know what they stand for either. Because if the opponent doesn't meet the definition of a Nazi, or a fascist (I went over the tenets of fascism in another thread, I'm not going to do it again here), then the protesters cannot be ANTIFA. And if you aren't ANTIFA, what are you?

That's a scary question and a helluva deep subject. I propose that they are mob mentality and nothing more.


ANTIFA are just a bunch of left wing fascists who call everyone Nazis to give them an excuse to use violence.


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05 Jul 2019, 1:33 pm

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You two are becoming ridiculous. There is such a thing as trying too hard, laying it on too thick and being too obvious.


Just ignore them like I'm going to. Don't interrupt the circle jerk.


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05 Jul 2019, 1:53 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
If you're that closed minded where you make your mind before listening to the content, without knowing nothing about the people, then there's no point of your engaging in this thread.


Yes, when someone defends those who are obsessed with hate, and who want America's future to be one of
mass deportations of those with the wrong skin color, or who practice the wrong religion, or who want to physically attack someone for who they love, then I am closed minded. Especially when such persons lie about the senseless murder of a heroic young woman, I am indeed closed minded.


There's never a good time to be close minded. I don't know much about what happened outside of the nuts and bolts of it, but if how things unfolded is being disputed I want to analyze it objectively. Or at least concede that there might possibly be more to it than I've heard about.


Yep, and thanks for the adult response. Please listen to the video and give thoughts. Both have been residents of Charlottesville. We have to remember that the same media lying about this also lied about that MAGA kid with the hat and tried to make out that him smiling was evil Nazism. But the media got caught out with their lies there. Some people just see Nazis everywhere but didn't have a problem when Neo Nazis violently removed an elected leader in Ukraine for the Obama regime.


Nazis hardly represented all, or even most, of the Anti-Russian revolution who removed Putin's puppet. Besides, what does that have to do with what happened in Charlottesville?
You say you have a problem with Nazis in Ukraine, but not in America. Why?


Why do you keep REPEATING the same garbage points that I dealt with only a week or so ago. The ELECTED leader was elected by the people of Ukraine. The irony of you crowing about fake Nazis and supporting US backed neo Nazis in Ukraine removing that leader by violence is just beyond a joke. There are no "Nazis", they died off in 1945.


That so called elected leader of Ukraine was a Putin puppet, installed by Russian intelligence through election tampering.
Those weren't real Nazis at the Unite The Right rally? Funny, they believe the exact same things.
It's convenient for you right wingers to deny that there haven't been Nazis since 1945. There definitely have been, and are.
I keep repeating it because you're wrong.


That's another pile of tripe. And it shows cause the US PUPPET was destroyed at the next election. No, despite your Hollywood version of reality. You just see racism, Nazis and evil white people everywhere and can't have a rational conversation. I'm not going to waste another second replying to you.


You keep promising you'll stop replying to me.


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05 Jul 2019, 2:27 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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So far it has been the left pouring out into the streets rioting, vandalizing and committing arson.


It's the right who's committing murder and acts of terrorism.


A small fringe element. Just like the small fringe element is committing murder and acts of terrorism among the Muslims.


As are those leftists taking to the streets. They hardly make up any part of the American left to any degree.


You said "It's the right who's committing murder and acts of terrorism". If you can implicate "the right" I can just as easily implicate "the left" when it comes to hundreds of them acting like violent lunatics.



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05 Jul 2019, 2:52 pm

Don't get involved with partisan politics. The left and right both support their team no matter what.


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05 Jul 2019, 3:19 pm

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It's a two hour video.

I simply don't have time to watch a two-hour video. Can you provide a link to a transcript?


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05 Jul 2019, 3:45 pm

No sorry. Watch it in sections? That's what I do.


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05 Jul 2019, 10:46 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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So far it has been the left pouring out into the streets rioting, vandalizing and committing arson.


It's the right who's committing murder and acts of terrorism.


A small fringe element. Just like the small fringe element is committing murder and acts of terrorism among the Muslims.


As are those leftists taking to the streets. They hardly make up any part of the American left to any degree.


You said "It's the right who's committing murder and acts of terrorism". If you can implicate "the right" I can just as easily implicate "the left" when it comes to hundreds of them acting like violent lunatics.


Your logic is circular, as I was only responding to your charge that the left acts like rioting idiots.
Personally, though, I think the loss of human life, especially if those lives are taken for stupid, racist reasons, matters a lot more than the destruction of property.


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05 Jul 2019, 11:06 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
So far it has been the left pouring out into the streets rioting, vandalizing and committing arson.


It's the right who's committing murder and acts of terrorism.


A small fringe element. Just like the small fringe element is committing murder and acts of terrorism among the Muslims.


As are those leftists taking to the streets. They hardly make up any part of the American left to any degree.


You said "It's the right who's committing murder and acts of terrorism". If you can implicate "the right" I can just as easily implicate "the left" when it comes to hundreds of them acting like violent lunatics.


Those communists will try to physically attack people but they are just scrawny or overweight college students who live off of their parents.


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05 Jul 2019, 11:48 pm

The truth about Charlottesville is that James Alex Fields Jr. deliberately rammed his car into a crowd of people and murdered Heather Heyer. For this and other hate crimes, he received a well-deserved life sentence. He even pled guilty to 29 of 30 federal charges in exchange for the prosecutors not seeking the death penalty. James Alex Fields Jr. is a murderer, a coward, and a typical white supremacist.


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06 Jul 2019, 12:56 am

They are avoiding that particular "truth" about Charlottesville or this one
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/d ... ville.html

The men involved would have kept going till the black man was killed had they not been stopped....

or this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ro7U_Yoc4



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The truth about Charlottesville is that James Alex Fields Jr. deliberately rammed his car into a crowd of people and murdered Heather Heyer. For this and other hate crimes, he received a well-deserved life sentence. He even pled guilty to 29 of 30 federal charges in exchange for the prosecutors not seeking the death penalty. James Alex Fields Jr. is a murderer, a coward, and a typical white supremacist.


No argument from me there. The argument starts when it gets insinuated that basically most everyone on the right fits into that category.



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06 Jul 2019, 1:36 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
So far it has been the left pouring out into the streets rioting, vandalizing and committing arson.


It's the right who's committing murder and acts of terrorism.


A small fringe element. Just like the small fringe element is committing murder and acts of terrorism among the Muslims.


As are those leftists taking to the streets. They hardly make up any part of the American left to any degree.


You said "It's the right who's committing murder and acts of terrorism". If you can implicate "the right" I can just as easily implicate "the left" when it comes to hundreds of them acting like violent lunatics.


Your logic is circular, as I was only responding to your charge that the left acts like rioting idiots.
Personally, though, I think the loss of human life, especially if those lives are taken for stupid, racist reasons, matters a lot more than the destruction of property.


You have a tendency to write "the right" when talking about such things, rather than writing "neo-nazis". And it seems in general that it is implied that virtually all the right were in on the act.

I don't think it gets talked about so much to point out that neo-nazis are bad and that the killer is evil. That is plainly obvious. I think it gets talked about so much to point a finger at the right. Thus being opportunistic and exploiting what happened.



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06 Jul 2019, 2:33 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
So far it has been the left pouring out into the streets rioting, vandalizing and committing arson.


It's the right who's committing murder and acts of terrorism.


A small fringe element. Just like the small fringe element is committing murder and acts of terrorism among the Muslims.


As are those leftists taking to the streets. They hardly make up any part of the American left to any degree.


You said "It's the right who's committing murder and acts of terrorism". If you can implicate "the right" I can just as easily implicate "the left" when it comes to hundreds of them acting like violent lunatics.


Your logic is circular, as I was only responding to your charge that the left acts like rioting idiots.
Personally, though, I think the loss of human life, especially if those lives are taken for stupid, racist reasons, matters a lot more than the destruction of property.


You have a tendency to write "the right" when talking about such things, rather than writing "neo-nazis". And it seems in general that it is implied that virtually all the right were in on the act.

I don't think it gets talked about so much to point out that neo-nazis are bad and that the killer is evil. That is plainly obvious. I think it gets talked about so much to point a finger at the right. Thus being opportunistic and exploiting what happened.


Sure, not everyone on the right is evil. But those on the right who try to downplay the Alt Right/Nazi/white supremacist position, or even try to deny it as much as the American right does, are ultimately guilty.


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06 Jul 2019, 2:40 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
So far it has been the left pouring out into the streets rioting, vandalizing and committing arson.


It's the right who's committing murder and acts of terrorism.


A small fringe element. Just like the small fringe element is committing murder and acts of terrorism among the Muslims.


As are those leftists taking to the streets. They hardly make up any part of the American left to any degree.


You said "It's the right who's committing murder and acts of terrorism". If you can implicate "the right" I can just as easily implicate "the left" when it comes to hundreds of them acting like violent lunatics.


Your logic is circular, as I was only responding to your charge that the left acts like rioting idiots.
Personally, though, I think the loss of human life, especially if those lives are taken for stupid, racist reasons, matters a lot more than the destruction of property.


You have a tendency to write "the right" when talking about such things, rather than writing "neo-nazis". And it seems in general that it is implied that virtually all the right were in on the act.

I don't think it gets talked about so much to point out that neo-nazis are bad and that the killer is evil. That is plainly obvious. I think it gets talked about so much to point a finger at the right. Thus being opportunistic and exploiting what happened.


Sure, not everyone on the right is evil. But those on the right who try to downplay the Alt Right/Nazi/white supremacist position, or even try to deny it as much as the American right does, are ultimately guilty.


This happens continuously. You write "the right" when talking about neo-nazis, I call you on it, and then you make the same basic disclaimer after the fact.

And then Fnord gets upset when I point stuff like that out instead of just letting it slide.