El Paso mall shooting: At least 15 dead, 1 in custody

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05 Aug 2019, 8:41 am

Putin is focused on his own country and his immediate neighbors (which he seeks to acquire)----and his self-aggrandizement within the context of his own country. He has no time to be really concerned with the United States, except in a sort of passive-aggressive sense.

Nevertheless, the United States has to have a healthy skepticism of Putin (and of Russia as a political entity) because of the Soviet past, and Putin's past. I would have probably felt a little less skepticism had Gorbachev remained in power.

Of course, he is pissed that sanctions have been imposed upon his country by the United States.



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05 Aug 2019, 9:58 am

But Soviet Union has been gone for nearly 30 years. Did it take 30 years or more for the US to get over Germany and Japan? As far as taking over countries can you imagine if Hitler waited 20 years or more to start taking over countries? WWII would have taken place in 60's. I do not think Putin is a pussycat, but I think it is more likely that he is winding down after all this time and now that he is senior citizen age rather than revving up.



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05 Aug 2019, 10:02 am

I'm not saying that one should be in quaking fear of Putin, or of Russia.

But one should have a healthy skepticism.

Trust me: even France has a healthy skepticism of the United States. And they have been a "staunch ally" since at least World War I.



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05 Aug 2019, 10:12 am

I am seeing a lot more than healthy skepticism though. I am seeing outright 50's paranoia. And I think that is a result of making Russia out to be a huge threat to the US in order to make Trump a part of that huge threat. I do not like all the unnecessary and obvious tactics. Same thing with trying so hard to tie Trump in with Patrick Wood Crusius and probably Connor Stephen Betts as well.



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05 Aug 2019, 10:17 am

Nope....Connor Betts is a "confirmed leftist"----the Trump thing won't happen with him. There's the sense that he was "a nut all on his own."

The Crosius guy had sort of an obsession with Trump and with immigration policies----so there will be some people who will blame Trump for "creating an atmosphere conducive" to this sort of act.



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05 Aug 2019, 10:29 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Nope....Connor Betts is a "confirmed leftist"----the Trump thing won't happen with him. There's the sense that he was "a nut all on his own."

The Crosius guy had sort of an obsession with Trump and with immigration policies----so there will be some people who will blame Trump for "creating an atmosphere conducive" to this sort of act.


For what it is worth he made it clear in writing that Trump had nothing to do with it. And he was blaming Republicans for the problems he saw.



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05 Aug 2019, 10:32 am

He didn't blame Trump----and people won't blame Trump directly. That would be absurd.

But there will be "blame" attached to Trump for "creating an atmosphere conducive to the conditions which this country is facing now (e.g. mass murders)."



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05 Aug 2019, 10:38 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
He didn't blame Trump----and people won't blame Trump directly. That would be absurd.

But there will be "blame" attached to Trump for "creating an atmosphere conducive to the conditions which this country is facing now (e.g. mass murders)."



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05 Aug 2019, 10:45 am

He had a sort of Trumpian view on this...…

That the news media are mostly a bunch of liberals who disseminate "fake news."

I, myself, am not blaming Trump or his policies for this. This guy came up with his crap all on his own.



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05 Aug 2019, 11:14 am

I do not think Trump necessarily coined the term fake news. For instance way before Trump Fox was being called Faux news.



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05 Aug 2019, 11:16 am

Anything is possible but unless somebody comes up with evidence this is a false flag or Russian instigated etc. why discuss it. People are capable of becoming white separatist terrorists all on their own.

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Based on his manifesto I think white separatist is probably a more accurate term for him than white nationalist. He wrote hispanics can be useful, his whole thing is race mixing is bad, the US needs to be split up based on race.


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05 Aug 2019, 11:23 am

I have a felling that there are many from every race who despise race mixing.



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05 Aug 2019, 12:07 pm

I’ve only met a few people who are actively hostile to “race mixing.”



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05 Aug 2019, 12:11 pm

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Any word on a motive?


It seems like the motive for the killing may be driven by radical environmentalism.

According to the manifesto he posted on-line shortly before Saturday's massacre he wrote:

“The environment is getting worse by the year,” the manifesto reads. “Most of y’all are just too stubborn to change your lifestyle. So the next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources. If we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can become more sustainable.”

He seems to share this view with another mass murderer Brenton Tarrant.

The manifesto explicitly cites the 74-page message posted online by the gunman charged with killing 51 worshippers at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, in March. That alleged shooter, Brenton Tarrant, a 28-year-old white Australian, thrice described himself as an “eco-fascist” motivated to repel waves of migrants fleeing climate change-ravaged regions of the world.

Source: El Paso Terrorism Suspect’s Alleged Manifesto Highlights Eco-Fascism’s Revival

So the younger generation is being told that global warming will mean they will be the last generation on Earth. The extinction clock is ticking. That there is no hope left. And as a result those under the influence of radical environmentalism both on the right (eco-fascist) and on the left (such as Extinction Rebellion) are coming out of the woodwork.


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05 Aug 2019, 12:38 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I’ve only met a few people who are actively hostile to “race mixing.”


Those people are known as racists.


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