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05 Aug 2019, 7:26 am

It seems the problem for Bill is that I have establishing facts on my mind which he seems to consider some kind of threat so he resorts to making personal accusations and attacks.



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05 Aug 2019, 7:46 am

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Anybody read about the “hit list” and “rape list” the shooter had in high school?


I heard about that on CNN. He sounds like a very evil individual.

That is what CNN is reporting
Classmates say Dayton gunman had a 'hit list' in high school
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As a high school student, the gunman in the Dayton, Ohio, massacre had a "hit list" of classmates he wanted to kill or hurt, according to four former students who said they were told by school officials they were on the list.

Spencer Brickler said a counselor at Bellbrook High School told him that he and his sister were on Connor Betts' hit list. Brickler said he was riding on a school bus when he saw Betts getting escorted off by officers who were investigating the threats.
"He was kind of dark and depressive in high school," said Brickler, who recalled the incident occurring about nine years ago when he was a freshman. He said he had no idea what prompted Betts, then a sophomore, to put him or his sister on the list.

Another former classmate, who asked not to be identified out of concerns for his privacy, also recalled being summoned to a school administrator's office and being told he was "number one" on the list of students Betts wanted to kill.
He said the list was separated into two columns: a "kill list" for boys and a "rape list" for girls.
A third person, who also asked not to be named for privacy reasons, told CNN that Betts sent messages about the list to one of his classmates, who told her mother. Her mother then notified the police, who came to the school and interviewed people on the list individually in the school's office.
"Personally, it freaked me out," said the classmate who was told she was on the list. "I started having panic attacks in the school building."
A fourth person, who also asked not to be named for privacy reasons, said, "All I know is there was a list of violent actions and a list of names including mine."
She said some of the names were female students who, like her, turned him down for dates. She said Betts often simulated shooting other students and threatened to kill himself and others on several occasions.
"He loved to look at you and pretend to shoot with guns, guns with his hands," she said.
Another former classmate, who was not on the list, said that he met Betts through a "friend of a friend." He said whenever they hung out, Betts would talk about violence and use harsh language about women, like calling them "sluts."
Betts' former classmates told CNN that they recalled Betts being removed from the school for at least a year, but that he later returned to Bellbrook High.


Both shooters were bullied in high school. Betts’s politics were very left. The El Paso shooter left a manifesto about why he did what he did, right now there is no public evidence the Dayton shooter did it for political reasons. The hit and rape list some of whom turned down dates and the targeting of a bar district are suggestive of an Incel type motive not a political one. However there is no public evidence at this he frequented Incel sites, praised Incel, used Incel jargon, or considered Elliot Rogers a hero etc.


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05 Aug 2019, 7:50 am

I mean....kids often do this sort of thing. And, the vast majority of the time, they don't really mean it. I've never done this myself, despite being bullied. But I do understand the mindset.

But in light of what's happening nowadays, if I were a kid who was angry about being bullied, I wouldn't broadcast a "hit list" to my schoolmates.

Though, in a way, this sort of "broadcasting" might provide an impetus for the school to do something about it---not by punishing the kid---but by providing therapeutic intervention.

I don't believe in "zero tolerance" except in extreme cases. "Zero tolerance" alienates at-risk kids, and provides them with much more ammunition to commit the acts they commit.



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05 Aug 2019, 7:55 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Anybody read about the “hit list” and “rape list” the shooter had in high school?


I heard about that on CNN. He sounds like a very evil individual.

That is what CNN is reporting
Classmates say Dayton gunman had a 'hit list' in high school
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As a high school student, the gunman in the Dayton, Ohio, massacre had a "hit list" of classmates he wanted to kill or hurt, according to four former students who said they were told by school officials they were on the list.

Spencer Brickler said a counselor at Bellbrook High School told him that he and his sister were on Connor Betts' hit list. Brickler said he was riding on a school bus when he saw Betts getting escorted off by officers who were investigating the threats.
"He was kind of dark and depressive in high school," said Brickler, who recalled the incident occurring about nine years ago when he was a freshman. He said he had no idea what prompted Betts, then a sophomore, to put him or his sister on the list.

Another former classmate, who asked not to be identified out of concerns for his privacy, also recalled being summoned to a school administrator's office and being told he was "number one" on the list of students Betts wanted to kill.
He said the list was separated into two columns: a "kill list" for boys and a "rape list" for girls.
A third person, who also asked not to be named for privacy reasons, told CNN that Betts sent messages about the list to one of his classmates, who told her mother. Her mother then notified the police, who came to the school and interviewed people on the list individually in the school's office.
"Personally, it freaked me out," said the classmate who was told she was on the list. "I started having panic attacks in the school building."
A fourth person, who also asked not to be named for privacy reasons, said, "All I know is there was a list of violent actions and a list of names including mine."
She said some of the names were female students who, like her, turned him down for dates. She said Betts often simulated shooting other students and threatened to kill himself and others on several occasions.
"He loved to look at you and pretend to shoot with guns, guns with his hands," she said.
Another former classmate, who was not on the list, said that he met Betts through a "friend of a friend." He said whenever they hung out, Betts would talk about violence and use harsh language about women, like calling them "sluts."
Betts' former classmates told CNN that they recalled Betts being removed from the school for at least a year, but that he later returned to Bellbrook High.


Both shooters were bullied in high school. Betts’s politics were very left. The El Paso shooter left a manifesto about why he did what he did, right now there is no public evidence the Dayton shooter did it for political reasons. The hit and rape list some of whom turned down dates and the targeting of a bar district are suggestive of an Incel type motive not a political one. However there is no public evidence at this he frequented Incel sites, praised Incel, used Incel jargon, or considered Elliot Rogers a hero etc.


Careful with being analytical, you might get accused of defending cold blooded mass murderers.



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05 Aug 2019, 7:56 am

It's really troubling that this guy killed his own sister.



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05 Aug 2019, 8:16 am

That type of monster sees people as objects.



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05 Aug 2019, 8:25 am

There are high school "chums" in social media who are denouncing the shooter as being a general jerk, always seeking to scare girls, writing a "hit list" on a bathroom wall in his high school that got him kicked out for a year.

The source is Twitter.

It seems, from these accounts, that he wasn't bullied---but that he was actually a bully.



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05 Aug 2019, 2:12 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
There are high school "chums" in social media who are denouncing the shooter as being a general jerk, always seeking to scare girls, writing a "hit list" on a bathroom wall in his high school that got him kicked out for a year.

The source is Twitter.

It seems, from these accounts, that he wasn't bullied---but that he was actually a bully.


Why assume he must be one or the other? He can be both a victim of bullying and a creepy, violent outcast who made people uncomfortable.

Those behaviours aren't bullying, per say, they're violent threats but not all threatening behaviour is bullying. They sound like a kid who's bullied lashing out at people. Victims of bullying sometimes act out and either bully or otherwise display aggressive or menacing behaviour. It's likely that this cycle of being bullied and acting out existed throughout this guy's life, once he failed to fit in and felt that he could never fit in he chose to troll and antagonize his peers, including even ones who had nothing to do with it. This would in-turn inspire further bullying, spurring further retaliation from him.


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05 Aug 2019, 2:59 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Looks more like a member of party D instead of party R, like party D hoped.

....or he could just be an individual operating on his own.


But in the end, which side has committed the most murders in recent times?


Domestically; mainly lone individuals or sometimes a pair of individuals operating on their own.

Overseas; appearntly it is party D.


As white nationalists urge each other to take action on sites like 4Chan and 8Chan, and are in constant communication with one another, it's hardly the case where right wing shooters are ultimately alone.


I have studied most of the mass shooters and as far as I know none credited 4chan or 8chan or gave any indication they were tied in with those websites. According to forensic analysis they are for the most part classified as loners carrying a personal grudge. Do you have any forensic data supporting your claim?


You are mistaken. The one in El Paso in fact had put his manifesto on 8Chan shortly before his rampage. And even before then, he had read every sort of insane racial fantasy about brown immigrants coming to breed us out and take our jobs on 8Chan. Now, that deplorable site is being taken down.


Him posting it on 8chan is not an indication that he was influenced by 8chan nor like I said did he credit 8chan or anything/anyone else as far as I know.

Fredrick Brennan the founder of 8chan called for the site to be shut down.


Of course he was influenced by 8Chan! His search history reveals he had eaten up bullshit about whites becoming an endangered species due to non-white immigration, which is the basis for his racist rant prior to the attack.
Why defend these wastes of working human organs? Just because Fredrick Brennan now calls for shutting down his own hate site hardly absolves him of the hate and harm he's ultimately responsible for spreading.


Where did you find out about his search history?

Accusing me of defending that person is a deplorable personal attack on my character.

My trying to establish facts has nothing to do with defending anyone.


Don't let it bother you. He actually has defended mass murder by the state, as long as it's the right team in power.

There are problems with mass immigration and intentional liberal policies to anger conservatives as we found out from one of Tony Blair's speech writers. Then we have the media and their funders intentionally trying to divide and conquer people. Anyone relying on CNN for news isn't going to get anything credible. Let's see if these shooters have been big drug users or have an intelligence handler.


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05 Aug 2019, 3:10 pm

Jessica Masseth was months into her sophomore year at Bellbrook High School in Ohio when she started getting disturbing text messages from a freshman named Connor Betts [The Dayton Ohio Shooter].

Betts texted that Masseth was on his “rape list,” describing in detail “what he wanted to do” to her, she said—even sending her the list of all of his proposed victims to prove she wasn’t the only one.

“I was not surprised at all when I heard his name on the news yesterday,” she said. “We predicted he would do this 10 years ago.”

“In the texts, and on the lists, he talked about destruction and dismemberment. I mean how did the police not know he was going to do something like what he did this weekend?” she said. “Everyone knew he was not right.”

After “countless texts” and growing concern in school about the lists, Masseth said she finally told her mother, who encouraged her to contact the authorities.

“There was chatter at school that a kid was taken off the bus by the police but we weren't really sure who it was,” she said. “But then police started asking me questions about Connor Betts and whether there was any reason he would want to hurt me.”

The former student said the list was conveyed to her as a “kill, dismember, and rape list.”

Masseth said police questioned Betts about the hit lists and he was suspended from school.

The following year he returned to school, she said. When she graduated in 2012, Betts was still “not right.”

“He basically got a slap on the wrist,” she said. “If he was only held accountable, this shooting would have never happened because he wouldn’t have been able to buy any firearms. There are levels of failure here.”

Source: Classmate Says Dayton Shooter Targeted Her in High School: ‘We Predicted He Would Do This’



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05 Aug 2019, 3:25 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Looks more like a member of party D instead of party R, like party D hoped.

....or he could just be an individual operating on his own.


But in the end, which side has committed the most murders in recent times?


Domestically; mainly lone individuals or sometimes a pair of individuals operating on their own.

Overseas; appearntly it is party D.


As white nationalists urge each other to take action on sites like 4Chan and 8Chan, and are in constant communication with one another, it's hardly the case where right wing shooters are ultimately alone.


I have studied most of the mass shooters and as far as I know none credited 4chan or 8chan or gave any indication they were tied in with those websites. According to forensic analysis they are for the most part classified as loners carrying a personal grudge. Do you have any forensic data supporting your claim?


You are mistaken. The one in El Paso in fact had put his manifesto on 8Chan shortly before his rampage. And even before then, he had read every sort of insane racial fantasy about brown immigrants coming to breed us out and take our jobs on 8Chan. Now, that deplorable site is being taken down.


Him posting it on 8chan is not an indication that he was influenced by 8chan nor like I said did he credit 8chan or anything/anyone else as far as I know.

Fredrick Brennan the founder of 8chan called for the site to be shut down.


Of course he was influenced by 8Chan! His search history reveals he had eaten up bullshit about whites becoming an endangered species due to non-white immigration, which is the basis for his racist rant prior to the attack.
Why defend these wastes of working human organs? Just because Fredrick Brennan now calls for shutting down his own hate site hardly absolves him of the hate and harm he's ultimately responsible for spreading.


Where did you find out about his search history?

Accusing me of defending that person is a deplorable personal attack on my character.

My trying to establish facts has nothing to do with defending anyone.


CNN reported his association with 8Chan.
Just asking about your motivation, that's all. Not making accusations.


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05 Aug 2019, 3:26 pm

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There are problems with mass immigration and intentional liberal policies to anger conservatives as we found out from one of Tony Blair's speech writers. Then we have the media and their funders intentionally trying to divide and conquer people. Anyone relying on CNN for news isn't going to get anything credible. Let's see if these shooters have been big drug users or have an intelligence handler.


So basically, because liberal policies trigger reichwingers, it's all the liberals fault when reichwing terrorists and mass murderers act out? Calm down snowflake and stop making excuses for the inexcusable.


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05 Aug 2019, 3:29 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Looks more like a member of party D instead of party R, like party D hoped.

....or he could just be an individual operating on his own.


But in the end, which side has committed the most murders in recent times?


Domestically; mainly lone individuals or sometimes a pair of individuals operating on their own.

Overseas; appearntly it is party D.


As white nationalists urge each other to take action on sites like 4Chan and 8Chan, and are in constant communication with one another, it's hardly the case where right wing shooters are ultimately alone.


I have studied most of the mass shooters and as far as I know none credited 4chan or 8chan or gave any indication they were tied in with those websites. According to forensic analysis they are for the most part classified as loners carrying a personal grudge. Do you have any forensic data supporting your claim?


You are mistaken. The one in El Paso in fact had put his manifesto on 8Chan shortly before his rampage. And even before then, he had read every sort of insane racial fantasy about brown immigrants coming to breed us out and take our jobs on 8Chan. Now, that deplorable site is being taken down.


Him posting it on 8chan is not an indication that he was influenced by 8chan nor like I said did he credit 8chan or anything/anyone else as far as I know.

Fredrick Brennan the founder of 8chan called for the site to be shut down.


Of course he was influenced by 8Chan! His search history reveals he had eaten up bullshit about whites becoming an endangered species due to non-white immigration, which is the basis for his racist rant prior to the attack.
Why defend these wastes of working human organs? Just because Fredrick Brennan now calls for shutting down his own hate site hardly absolves him of the hate and harm he's ultimately responsible for spreading.


Where did you find out about his search history?

Accusing me of defending that person is a deplorable personal attack on my character.

My trying to establish facts has nothing to do with defending anyone.


Don't let it bother you. He actually has defended mass murder by the state, as long as it's the right team in power.

There are problems with mass immigration and intentional liberal policies to anger conservatives as we found out from one of Tony Blair's speech writers. Then we have the media and their funders intentionally trying to divide and conquer people. Anyone relying on CNN for news isn't going to get anything credible. Let's see if these shooters have been big drug users or have an intelligence handler.


There's a difference between the fog of war in which civilians become causalities, and the purposeful actions of a maniac.


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05 Aug 2019, 3:43 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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There are problems with mass immigration and intentional liberal policies to anger conservatives as we found out from one of Tony Blair's speech writers. Then we have the media and their funders intentionally trying to divide and conquer people. Anyone relying on CNN for news isn't going to get anything credible. Let's see if these shooters have been big drug users or have an intelligence handler.


So basically, because liberal policies trigger reichwingers, it's all the liberals fault when reichwing terrorists and mass murderers act out? Calm down snowflake and stop making excuses for the inexcusable.


I'm not going to have a debate with children.


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Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Looks more like a member of party D instead of party R, like party D hoped.

....or he could just be an individual operating on his own.


But in the end, which side has committed the most murders in recent times?


Domestically; mainly lone individuals or sometimes a pair of individuals operating on their own.

Overseas; appearntly it is party D.


As white nationalists urge each other to take action on sites like 4Chan and 8Chan, and are in constant communication with one another, it's hardly the case where right wing shooters are ultimately alone.


I have studied most of the mass shooters and as far as I know none credited 4chan or 8chan or gave any indication they were tied in with those websites. According to forensic analysis they are for the most part classified as loners carrying a personal grudge. Do you have any forensic data supporting your claim?


You are mistaken. The one in El Paso in fact had put his manifesto on 8Chan shortly before his rampage. And even before then, he had read every sort of insane racial fantasy about brown immigrants coming to breed us out and take our jobs on 8Chan. Now, that deplorable site is being taken down.


Him posting it on 8chan is not an indication that he was influenced by 8chan nor like I said did he credit 8chan or anything/anyone else as far as I know.

Fredrick Brennan the founder of 8chan called for the site to be shut down.


Of course he was influenced by 8Chan! His search history reveals he had eaten up bullshit about whites becoming an endangered species due to non-white immigration, which is the basis for his racist rant prior to the attack.
Why defend these wastes of working human organs? Just because Fredrick Brennan now calls for shutting down his own hate site hardly absolves him of the hate and harm he's ultimately responsible for spreading.


Where did you find out about his search history?

Accusing me of defending that person is a deplorable personal attack on my character.

My trying to establish facts has nothing to do with defending anyone.


Don't let it bother you. He actually has defended mass murder by the state, as long as it's the right team in power.

There are problems with mass immigration and intentional liberal policies to anger conservatives as we found out from one of Tony Blair's speech writers. Then we have the media and their funders intentionally trying to divide and conquer people. Anyone relying on CNN for news isn't going to get anything credible. Let's see if these shooters have been big drug users or have an intelligence handler.


There's a difference between the fog of war in which civilians become causalities, and the purposeful actions of a maniac.


Garbage. Turn CNN off. It's not the 'derp fog of war'. It's going to war on a pack of lies and murdering for profit. The US has murderer millions across the world so no wonder its a violent society. And as i said, you excuse the mass murder of millions so get off your high horse and drop the phony outrage.


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