Trump wants to deport people here for medical reasons.
You are not going to like my response but here is my opinion. I would educate her as far as she can be educated and make her as independent as possible while accepting the harsh reality that she is more then likely not going to be hold a job and live on her own.
That is exactly what was done with me. And it was the right way to proceed.
Quite honestly I think all of the money that is used for therapy and mainstreaming and normalizing can be better spent just investing into some kind of trust fund. Even with therapy and all of this extra help the majority of us are unemployed even if we went to college.
I think he has the right idea. https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -help.html
My goal would be not for them to be employed but for your daughter to live at her own place being by her trust fund. Mainstreaming and trying to put them in competitive employment does not work for an autistic person.
Most of us with significant autism require a 24/7 caregiver. My living independently will mean moving into a room in a care home. That is the best I am able going to be able to manage as far as being on my own goes.
I'm totally fine with that. I would like it if she could communicate to her satisfaction, she gets frustrated now. She understands everything we say to her, follows directions. She's wonderful and the sweetest kid ever.
I liked what you said about very bright but locked in. Such a good way to put it. I didn't have a real breakthrough until I was half way into 8 years old. Not being able to communicate at all is mega-frustrating. Is her twin able intercede/interpret for her? My "twin" cousin I was raised with had a nack for it. Came in handy.
We all pretty much know how to interpret Emily's needs. If she's hungry, she'll run back and forth to the kitchen. I can pick her up and hold her at the different levels of the fridge or cabinet and she'll point or occasionally say, "some." I keep a cup full for her, I stay worried about hydration because she's very tiny. She will not communicate something she does not like to engage in, like potty training. It's just hit or miss. She likes massages and will hold her limbs out for them. She loves to draw. I can ask her to say 'Grandpa' and she will. But, it's more of a mimic. She would never walk up to someone and initiate a conversation. She will say NO, and or have a fit if we are teaching her a new skill. She hated trying to learn sign language, yet she could remember the signs and use them many months later. She could decide she didn't feel like mimicking a word, but you'd hear here say it in another room 30 minutes later, all alone. She's just a really neat and unique kid.
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Another interesting thing that she does is she will 'talk' to herself in the mirror, or what passes for talking to Emily. But she will not engage in conversation with another, face to face.
When she was 18 mos old, she would take a mirror and shine the reflection on the ceiling. She knew she was making it happen and she would laugh. She's light years ahead of her twin in some respects, but in developmental milestones, she's not. She could solve a little ball bearing puzzle, with complex twists and turns. But cannot have a conversation.
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Neurocognitive exam in May 2019, diagnosed with ASD, Asperger's type in June 2019.
You are not going to like my response but here is my opinion. I would educate her as far as she can be educated and make her as independent as possible while accepting the harsh reality that she is more then likely not going to be hold a job and live on her own.
That is exactly what was done with me. And it was the right way to proceed.
Quite honestly I think all of the money that is used for therapy and mainstreaming and normalizing can be better spent just investing into some kind of trust fund. Even with therapy and all of this extra help the majority of us are unemployed even if we went to college.
I think he has the right idea. https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -help.html
My goal would be not for them to be employed but for your daughter to live at her own place being by her trust fund. Mainstreaming and trying to put them in competitive employment does not work for an autistic person.
Most of us with significant autism require a 24/7 caregiver. My living independently will mean moving into a room in a care home. That is the best I am able going to be able to manage as far as being on my own goes.
I'm totally fine with that. I would like it if she could communicate to her satisfaction, she gets frustrated now. She understands everything we say to her, follows directions. She's wonderful and the sweetest kid ever.
I liked what you said about very bright but locked in. Such a good way to put it. I didn't have a real breakthrough until I was half way into 8 years old. Not being able to communicate at all is mega-frustrating. Is her twin able intercede/interpret for her? My "twin" cousin I was raised with had a nack for it. Came in handy.
We all pretty much know how to interpret Emily's needs. If she's hungry, she'll run back and forth to the kitchen. I can pick her up and hold her at the different levels of the fridge or cabinet and she'll point or occasionally say, "some." I keep a cup full for her, I stay worried about hydration because she's very tiny. She will not communicate something she does not like to engage in, like potty training. It's just hit or miss. She likes massages and will hold her limbs out for them. She loves to draw. I can ask her to say 'Grandpa' and she will. But, it's more of a mimic. She would never walk up to someone and initiate a conversation. She will say NO, and or have a fit if we are teaching her a new skill. She hated trying to learn sign language, yet she could remember the signs and use them many months later. She could decide she didn't feel like mimicking a word, but you'd hear here say it in another room 30 minutes later, all alone. She's just a really neat and unique kid.
Even after all this time and speech therapy all I really do is mimick or recite. Forget a regular verbal convention. But as you know a lot can be said using few words.
Not sure about Canada but Australia is a dry uninhabitable continent with only the thin coastal regions being able to sustain large populations.
That's fine. But you shouldn't tell countries who have every square inch spoken for that they should be taking on the woes of the world. Your systems work for you because you will never be entirely over populated. Say what you will about the climate of the Outback, but you know that land IS inhabitable. As is the Arctic, the aboriginals have been doing it for hundreds, perhaps thousands of years. But, it's not EASY. And it's not my business what's easy, it's my business what's doable. And we know it's doable because people are doing it.
So, it's safe to say that I resent someone like you telling me that I must cram my country cheek and jowl, when you will never know cheek and jowl.
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Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I hate you, it just means we disagree.
Neurocognitive exam in May 2019, diagnosed with ASD, Asperger's type in June 2019.
You are not going to like my response but here is my opinion. I would educate her as far as she can be educated and make her as independent as possible while accepting the harsh reality that she is more then likely not going to be hold a job and live on her own.
That is exactly what was done with me. And it was the right way to proceed.
Quite honestly I think all of the money that is used for therapy and mainstreaming and normalizing can be better spent just investing into some kind of trust fund. Even with therapy and all of this extra help the majority of us are unemployed even if we went to college.
I think he has the right idea. https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -help.html
My goal would be not for them to be employed but for your daughter to live at her own place being by her trust fund. Mainstreaming and trying to put them in competitive employment does not work for an autistic person.
Most of us with significant autism require a 24/7 caregiver. My living independently will mean moving into a room in a care home. That is the best I am able going to be able to manage as far as being on my own goes.
I'm totally fine with that. I would like it if she could communicate to her satisfaction, she gets frustrated now. She understands everything we say to her, follows directions. She's wonderful and the sweetest kid ever.
I liked what you said about very bright but locked in. Such a good way to put it. I didn't have a real breakthrough until I was half way into 8 years old. Not being able to communicate at all is mega-frustrating. Is her twin able intercede/interpret for her? My "twin" cousin I was raised with had a nack for it. Came in handy.
We all pretty much know how to interpret Emily's needs. If she's hungry, she'll run back and forth to the kitchen. I can pick her up and hold her at the different levels of the fridge or cabinet and she'll point or occasionally say, "some." I keep a cup full for her, I stay worried about hydration because she's very tiny. She will not communicate something she does not like to engage in, like potty training. It's just hit or miss. She likes massages and will hold her limbs out for them. She loves to draw. I can ask her to say 'Grandpa' and she will. But, it's more of a mimic. She would never walk up to someone and initiate a conversation. She will say NO, and or have a fit if we are teaching her a new skill. She hated trying to learn sign language, yet she could remember the signs and use them many months later. She could decide she didn't feel like mimicking a word, but you'd hear here say it in another room 30 minutes later, all alone. She's just a really neat and unique kid.
Even after all this time and speech therapy all I really do is mimick or recite. Forget a regular verbal convention. But as you know a lot can be said using few words.
That gives me hope. As long as I know she can be heard in some way, by sign or writing, or something.
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Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I hate you, it just means we disagree.
Neurocognitive exam in May 2019, diagnosed with ASD, Asperger's type in June 2019.
Not sure about Canada but Australia is a dry uninhabitable continent with only the thin coastal regions being able to sustain large populations.
That's fine. But you shouldn't tell countries who have every square inch spoken for that they should be taking on the woes of the world. Your systems work for you because you will never be entirely over populated. Say what you will about the climate of the Outback, but you know that land IS inhabitable. As is the Arctic, the aboriginals have been doing it for hundreds, perhaps thousands of years. But, it's not EASY. And it's not my business what's easy, it's my business what's doable. And we know it's doable because people are doing it.
So, it's safe to say that I resent someone like you telling me that I must cram my country cheek and jowl, when you will never know cheek and jowl.
On the issue of immigration I advocate population control and protection of natural environments so I prefer to invest in keeping developing countries prosperous and happy so that they don't have to leave/emigrate. Australia is already past sustainable levels for major capital cities and so I have no problem restricting immigration intake so long as there are valid alternatives for refugees.
Not sure about Canada but Australia is a dry uninhabitable continent with only the thin coastal regions being able to sustain large populations.
That's fine. But you shouldn't tell countries who have every square inch spoken for that they should be taking on the woes of the world. Your systems work for you because you will never be entirely over populated. Say what you will about the climate of the Outback, but you know that land IS inhabitable. As is the Arctic, the aboriginals have been doing it for hundreds, perhaps thousands of years. But, it's not EASY. And it's not my business what's easy, it's my business what's doable. And we know it's doable because people are doing it.
So, it's safe to say that I resent someone like you telling me that I must cram my country cheek and jowl, when you will never know cheek and jowl.
On the issue of immigration I advocate population control and protection of natural environments so I prefer to invest in keeping developing countries prosperous and happy so that they don't have to leave/emigrate. Australia is already past sustainable levels for major capital cities and so I have no problem restricting immigration intake so long as there are valid alternatives for refugees.
Would 'valid' alternatives simply mean some other country? Our lands are all spoken for, as well. Either owned by ranchers, reservations or National Parks. As it stands now, California's skid row is bumper to bumper tents from unchecked, illegal immigration. So, we're full. Let's see... who can we foist them off onto? We could send them to Siberia, oh wait, Russia doesn't welcome immigrants. How about China? No, don't like their conversion camps? You're 'full' and only 700,000 aboriginals inhabit the majority of your land mass. Despite the fact that it's desert, full of Camels, snakes and craters, so it should feel just like home. Canada is cold, so refugees fleeing for their lives might be disgruntled. Gee, I don't really see a lot of options. So, send money to the countries and tell them to stay home. Or, take a full scale ARMY in and round up all the cartel. Either way, sweep your own doorstep. You say ugly things about other countries, while claiming the need to preserve natural resources from millions of square miles inhabited by roughly 10% of Australia's population. Must be nice to know what everyone else should be doing while protecting your own.
I appreciate this conversation. From now on, when I see you talking smack about saving everyone, I'll remember it.
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Neurocognitive exam in May 2019, diagnosed with ASD, Asperger's type in June 2019.
I think China's one child policy was a great idea and should have been applied in places like South America and India.
Developing countries do have obligations to donor countries and this includes good stable democratic government, responsible family planning and environmental protection.
The problem is the US seems to be propping up dictatorships all over the world on the pretext of stamping out communism or socialism. Not sure how these countries can fulfill these aspirations when their people are barely making ends meet.
I don't buy this. I see conservatives as being the idealists especially with the idea that anyone and everyone has choices, can always make the correct choices and one's circumstances is solely depended upon the choices one makes. They have this ideal that we're in control over our lives when that control is limited. Conservatives are in love this philosophy even when presented information that contradicts this.
From what I have seen it is being said that usually people have choices to make. Like for example the choice to leave for work on time or not. Usually getting to work on time is determined by one's choice to leave on time.
Your rubttal to that is to view it as an absolute. And then come with a string of plot holes such as, what if your alarm clock malfunctions, or you get a flat tire, or you're struck by a meteor and so on. Showing how one has no real control.
But in reality most of the time the decision to leave for work on time, gets you to work on time.
Yet, other conservatives refuse to acknowledge these plot holes. That's the problem. They don't even accept the plot holes exist. And, that's the issue with personal responsibility. The idea that our circumstances are determined by our choices when a lot of times other mitigating factors come into play.
People have all sorts of excuses why they can't do something.
You can choose to have personal responsibility or blame others.
If EVER you find yourself blaming someone else, just think about how YOU could of changed your behavior to have avoided the situation.
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After a failure, the easiest thing to do is to blame someone else.
You can choose to have personal responsibility or blame others.
If EVER you find yourself blaming someone else, just think about how YOU could of changed your behavior to have avoided the situation.
What kind of Chronic are you doing?
You can do all the personal responsibility and take all the precautions. Yeah, of course one should take precautions like never leave one's valuables in the car or leave your door open at night.
People are still robbed.
People still get raped.
People still get conned.
It isn't the person's fault they got robbed. It's the robber's fault for doing robbing.
It isn't the person's fault they got raped. It's the rapist's fault for doing the raping.
It isn't the person's fault they got conned. It's the con artist's fault for doing the conning.
My f*****g God! What the living f**k?
It's like you, Ezra, and other conservative/libertarian types can't accept that there are certain things beyond's one control. Sometimes beyond a person's ability to conceive of.
Can't you accept that personal responsibility is a myth in a world of limits and the control of what we can do our actions is limited?
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You can choose to have personal responsibility or blame others.
If EVER you find yourself blaming someone else, just think about how YOU could of changed your behavior to have avoided the situation.
What kind of Chronic are you doing?
You can do all the personal responsibility and take all the precautions. Yeah, of course one should take precautions like never leave one's valuables in the car or leave your door open at night.
People are still robbed.
People still get raped.
People still get conned.
It isn't the person's fault they got robbed. It's the robber's fault for doing robbing.
It isn't the person's fault they got raped. It's the rapist's fault for doing the raping.
It isn't the person's fault they got conned. It's the con artist's fault for doing the conning.
My f*****g God! What the living f**k?
It's like you, Ezra, and other conservative/libertarian types can't accept that there are certain things beyond's one control. Sometimes beyond a person's ability to conceive of.
Can't you accept that personal responsibility is a myth in a world of limits and the control of what we can do our actions is limited?
Ah, but that would be taking the side of the presumed weak against the strong!
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You can choose to have personal responsibility or blame others.
If EVER you find yourself blaming someone else, just think about how YOU could of changed your behavior to have avoided the situation.
What kind of Chronic are you doing?
You can do all the personal responsibility and take all the precautions. Yeah, of course one should take precautions like never leave one's valuables in the car or leave your door open at night.
People are still robbed.
People still get raped.
People still get conned.
It isn't the person's fault they got robbed. It's the robber's fault for doing robbing.
It isn't the person's fault they got raped. It's the rapist's fault for doing the raping.
It isn't the person's fault they got conned. It's the con artist's fault for doing the conning.
My f*****g God! What the living f**k?
It's like you, Ezra, and other conservative/libertarian types can't accept that there are certain things beyond's one control. Sometimes beyond a person's ability to conceive of.
Can't you accept that personal responsibility is a myth in a world of limits and the control of what we can do our actions is limited?
As someone who is significantly disabled I am well aware there there are things beyond one's control. But I also know the difference between that and excuse making, not taking responsibility and placing the blame on someone or something else. If I had been raised by parents with your idealistic philosophy, I would probably be a lot further behind. That's where my attitude stems from, rather than being indoctrinated to some political party.
You can choose to have personal responsibility or blame others.
If EVER you find yourself blaming someone else, just think about how YOU could of changed your behavior to have avoided the situation.
What kind of Chronic are you doing?
You can do all the personal responsibility and take all the precautions. Yeah, of course one should take precautions like never leave one's valuables in the car or leave your door open at night.
People are still robbed.
People still get raped.
People still get conned.
It isn't the person's fault they got robbed. It's the robber's fault for doing robbing.
It isn't the person's fault they got raped. It's the rapist's fault for doing the raping.
It isn't the person's fault they got conned. It's the con artist's fault for doing the conning.
My f*****g God! What the living f**k?
It's like you, Ezra, and other conservative/libertarian types can't accept that there are certain things beyond's one control. Sometimes beyond a person's ability to conceive of.
Can't you accept that personal responsibility is a myth in a world of limits and the control of what we can do our actions is limited?
Ah, but that would be taking the side of the presumed weak against the strong!
I am one of the weak. But I would be a lot weaker if I saw things the way cubedemon does.
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