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In the long run your right,Corbyn's goal is to stop brexit all together but first he needs to stall for time so he can make plans to achieve his ultimate goal of a new referendum
The way things are going for Johnson,Corbyn could be PM soon and may get his way.
Corbyn has been against the EU his whole career, he's saying and doing stuff he doesn't believe in. MP's voted to trigger Article 50 which meant we would leave on the 29th of Match regardless. So parliament is now holding the country to ransom. It's a national disgrace.
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Especially given thst there may be a General Election quite soon...could someone who was deselected/lost the whip stand a chance running in their home arrs (posting/district) as an independent?
Two really old-guard Tories, Nicolas Soames and Kenneth Clarke. who'vee been in Parliament forever (and are pretty well-connected and, let's face it, rich. I'm sure), and I assume win their local elections by good margins, ate among the 21. Even assuming that the Tory leadership nominated someone to run as a Tory in their areas. it seems like they could win ?
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As far as Jeremy Corbyn being anti EU that may be true in his heart but at least since the 2016 referendum he has been staunchly pro remain.And has said he would like to call for a new referendum and has also been fighting the no deal brexit very hard.
Pro EU and pro remain may be two different things,one can dislike the EU but still be pro remain just like one can be anti abortion and still be pro choice
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EU legislation would hinder Corbyn introducing Marxist policies in the unlikely event he should ever become PM. Which is why he is anti-remain. He may support another referendum, but a referendum on what deal we should accept, not another in/out referendum.
If Corbyn is "staunchly pro remain" then both the press and the BBC have been lying to me since 2016... and even I don't believe they could lie so long and so consistently.
If Corbyn is "staunchly pro remain" then he would have been active in the original campaign and put up better opposition to the Government since 2016... instead of virtually no opposition at all.
The only parties that have been officially pro-remain (to my knowledge) are the LibDems and the Greens.
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If Corbyn is "staunchly pro remain" then both the press and the BBC have been lying to me since 2016... and even I don't believe they could lie so long and so consistently.
If Corbyn is "staunchly pro remain" then he would have been active in the original campaign and put up better opposition to the Government since 2016... instead of virtually no opposition at all.
The only parties that have been officially pro-remain (to my knowledge) are the LibDems and the Greens.
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If Corbyn is "staunchly pro remain" then both the press and the BBC have been lying to me since 2016... and even I don't believe they could lie so long and so consistently.
If Corbyn is "staunchly pro remain" then he would have been active in the original campaign and put up better opposition to the Government since 2016... instead of virtually no opposition at all.
The only parties that have been officially pro-remain (to my knowledge) are the LibDems and the Greens.
To be honest, I wouldn't dismiss the veracity of American news sites. As I hinted at above, I'm even a bit suspicious of the BBC... so I just take it all in and try an make my own mind up. You could try dabbling in the BBC on internet if you're really interested.
You are right that a lot of people are more afraid of Corbyn than no deal Brexit. That's behind Boris' wish for an early election... the two issues will get mixed up and Boris will win. I don't believe Corbyn will ever be PM, though. More likely to be a hung parliament and the whole thing will run on and on.
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If Corbyn is "staunchly pro remain" then both the press and the BBC have been lying to me since 2016... and even I don't believe they could lie so long and so consistently.
If Corbyn is "staunchly pro remain" then he would have been active in the original campaign and put up better opposition to the Government since 2016... instead of virtually no opposition at all.
The only parties that have been officially pro-remain (to my knowledge) are the LibDems and the Greens.
To be honest, I wouldn't dismiss the veracity of American news sites. As I hinted at above, I'm even a bit suspicious of the BBC... so I just take it all in and try an make my own mind up. You could try dabbling in the BBC on internet if you're really interested.
You are right that a lot of people are more afraid of Corbyn than no deal Brexit. That's behind Boris' wish for an early election... the two issues will get mixed up and Boris will win. I don't believe Corbyn will ever be PM, though. More likely to be a hung parliament and the whole thing will run on and on.
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The Guardian is probably the only British newspaper I would read. Strangely, I would argue there hasn't been much to report on politics... up until now. Parliament was in recess for a long summer break, hence what we call "the silly season" here. We had the drama of the Tory leadership race for a few weeks. But. Parliament has only been back for a couple of days and it's all exploded. I'm watching BBCnews now and it's still mostly conjecture... opinions from politicians, "experts" and random members of the public. I'm hoping to be out of the country when it really hots up.
... and Boris' days are numbered.
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Especially given thst there may be a General Election quite soon...could someone who was deselected/lost the whip stand a chance running in their home arrs (posting/district) as an independent?
Two really old-guard Tories, Nicolas Soames and Kenneth Clarke. who'vee been in Parliament forever (and are pretty well-connected and, let's face it, rich. I'm sure), and I assume win their local elections by good margins, ate among the 21. Even assuming that the Tory leadership nominated someone to run as a Tory in their areas. it seems like they could win ?
They had the whip resigned, so are now outside of Party goings on but continue as a member of Parliament until the next General Election. They are barred for standing for the party again in a future election.
Some have already said they will stand in the general election as an independent, i am sure 1 or 2 will move to another party (Libs) and some will walk away from politics. Ken Clarke had already confirmed some time back that he wouldnt stand in the next election anyway as he was retiring.
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Pro EU and pro remain may be two different things,one can dislike the EU but still be pro remain just like one can be anti abortion and still be pro choice
He's not pro 'remain' he is lying because the forces that control the party will not allow the leader to be openly pro leaving the EU. If you believe that he magically changed his mind when he became leader then I don't know what to say.
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Pro EU and pro remain may be two different things,one can dislike the EU but still be pro remain just like one can be anti abortion and still be pro choice
He's not pro 'remain' he is lying because the forces that control the party will not allow the leader to be openly pro leaving the EU. If you believe that he magically changed his mind when he became leader then I don't know what to say.
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