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05 Sep 2019, 11:03 am

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As far as Jeremy Corbyn being anti EU that may be true in his heart but at least since the 2016 referendum he has been staunchly pro remain.And has said he would like to call for a new referendum and has also been fighting the no deal brexit very hard.

Pro EU and pro remain may be two different things,one can dislike the EU but still be pro remain just like one can be anti abortion and still be pro choice


He's not pro 'remain' he is lying because the forces that control the party will not allow the leader to be openly pro leaving the EU. If you believe that he magically changed his mind when he became leader then I don't know what to say.


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05 Sep 2019, 12:19 pm

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vermontsavant wrote:
As far as Jeremy Corbyn being anti EU that may be true in his heart but at least since the 2016 referendum he has been staunchly pro remain.And has said he would like to call for a new referendum and has also been fighting the no deal brexit very hard.

Pro EU and pro remain may be two different things,one can dislike the EU but still be pro remain just like one can be anti abortion and still be pro choice


He's not pro 'remain' he is lying because the forces that control the party will not allow the leader to be openly pro leaving the EU. If you believe that he magically changed his mind when he became leader then I don't know what to say.
your probably right,and he is not very popular right now either


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05 Sep 2019, 12:24 pm

I think the adversarial party system in the UK is sh*t. It was "party before country" that got us into this mess.


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05 Sep 2019, 12:52 pm

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I think the adversarial party system in the UK is sh*t. It was "party before country" that got us into this mess.


Amen to that.

It'll never change though.



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05 Sep 2019, 12:55 pm

The hapless Nick Clegg tried to bring in PR when he was in coalition government... he was done up like a kipper (and I don't mean a Ukipper).


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05 Sep 2019, 2:26 pm

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I think the adversarial party system in the UK is sh*t. It was "party before country" that got us into this mess.
the adversarial system in the US is as you likely know pretty horrible too.matter of fact the whole world is doing bad politically right now.But the US is up shits creek with Trump as a padler which is worse than without a paddle.and the UK is not much better.

We have some 20 odd presidential canidates and none of them are good,more members of the house are resigning or not running in 2020.the democratic majority house cant get along with each other.The rebuplicans majority cant get anything done even with a republican president.the president is golfing while a hurricane is coming,sometimes democracy just does not work.Not that the alternative is better though


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05 Sep 2019, 3:33 pm

Trueno wrote:
I think the adversarial party system in the UK is sh*t. It was "party before country" that got us into this mess.


The public obviously had the appetite to leave the EU. The mess is that we're not allowed to.


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06 Sep 2019, 1:23 am

Boris Johnson has said he would rather be "dead in a ditch" than ask the EU to delay brexit beyond 10-31.
The PM declined to say if he would resign if a postponement were forced on him.

He accused MP of having torpedoed the UK'S negotiating position with the EU by voting for labour's bill designed to block a no deal brexit on 10-31.The legislation would force the PM to delay brexit untill january 2020


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06 Sep 2019, 3:02 am

48 hours in and I am already bored of hearing the good little Tory MP sheep all repeating the same catchphrases that they have been told to.

'People Vs Parliament'
'surrenderbill'

it's no wonder people get angry at them having no personalties and just following a script so robotically



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06 Sep 2019, 6:40 am

No one thought a UK prime minister could be worse than Theresa May.Until now!

For a moment,it seemed he would breathe new life into the brexit process.Some thought,just maybe,he could manage to do what My did not
How quickly it all went wrong.

full article on CNN world


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06 Sep 2019, 7:04 am

May was the one who stopped us leaving the EU.


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06 Sep 2019, 7:05 am

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May was the one who stopped us leaving the EU.


The ERG had the numbers to get us out in MV3 but chose to side with Corbyn and vote against their own party



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06 Sep 2019, 7:09 am

Meeting of all opposition parties this morning. Sounding like, for now at least, they have decided to hold off on any backing of a GE until Nov to make sure that the anti no deal legislation is adhered to, and of course to keep Johnson in the quite ridiculous looking position that he and his 'political mastermind' have chosen to get themselves into



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06 Sep 2019, 7:11 am

Biscuitman wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
May was the one who stopped us leaving the EU.


The ERG had the numbers to get us out in MV3 but chose to side with Corbyn and vote against their own party


May's capitulation treaty wasn't getting us out. It kept us tied to the EU forever, left us in a far worse position than the arrangement we have now and we had to pay like $60 billion for the pleasure. May stopped us leaving on the 29th of March which was in British law. Maybe copy and paste this somewhere so I don't have to keep repeating it.


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06 Sep 2019, 7:12 am

Their main objective is to keep us in the EU and there's a lot of those MP's that know they were elected on a pack of lies so know they will be swept away.


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