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08 Oct 2019, 2:46 pm

Trump just said on facebook that we will help the Kurds with weapons.


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08 Oct 2019, 3:00 pm

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Quite incredible that we have people whining about nationalism while crowing for an ethno state.

There's a massive elephant in the room which no imperialist cares about... SYRIANS. It is the US and others that have set their country on fire to try to enforce an ethno state to weaken Syria. The Kurdish army are not helpless children which maternalistic racists seem to suggest, they are an army that has tried to terrorise its way into a state. Murdering and raping Christians on its way. Turkey is more of an important and valuable ally than the Kurds. They need to integrate or face the consequences. Given that Israel supports a Kurdish state and got 77% of its oil from the Kurdish held region in Iraq before Iraq took back its land, the Kurdish state could be within Israel.


As a matter of fact, the Kurds and the situation they're in have more in common with the Palestinians than anyone else. But because you are so Anti-Israel, you refuse to acknowledge that fact.
Why can't the Palestinians just integrate rather than agitate for their own ethno-state? What makes them so different from the Kurds? You seem to have a double standard on this issue.
I see you forgot to mention that it was the Kurds who had put their lives on the line defeating ISIS.


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08 Oct 2019, 3:01 pm

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Quite incredible that we have people whining about nationalism while crowing for an ethno state.

There's a massive elephant in the room which no imperialist cares about... SYRIANS. It is the US and others that have set their country on fire to try to enforce an ethno state to weaken Syria. The Kurdish army are not helpless children which maternalistic racists seem to suggest, they are an army that has tried to terrorise its way into a state. Murdering and raping Christians on its way. Turkey is more of an important and valuable ally than the Kurds. They need to integrate or face the consequences. Given that Israel supports a Kurdish state and got 77% of its oil from the Kurdish held region in Iraq before Iraq took back its land, the Kurdish state could be within Israel.


I had a feeling it was something more like that.


No, it's not.


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08 Oct 2019, 3:36 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Quite incredible that we have people whining about nationalism while crowing for an ethno state.

There's a massive elephant in the room which no imperialist cares about... SYRIANS. It is the US and others that have set their country on fire to try to enforce an ethno state to weaken Syria. The Kurdish army are not helpless children which maternalistic racists seem to suggest, they are an army that has tried to terrorise its way into a state. Murdering and raping Christians on its way. Turkey is more of an important and valuable ally than the Kurds. They need to integrate or face the consequences. Given that Israel supports a Kurdish state and got 77% of its oil from the Kurdish held region in Iraq before Iraq took back its land, the Kurdish state could be within Israel.


As a matter of fact, the Kurds and the situation they're in have more in common with the Palestinians than anyone else. But because you are so Anti-Israel, you refuse to acknowledge that fact.
Why can't the Palestinians just integrate rather than agitate for their own ethno-state? What makes them so different from the Kurds? You seem to have a double standard on this issue.
I see you forgot to mention that it was the Kurds who had put their lives on the line defeating ISIS.


You don't know anything about these issues. It's because I'm anti ignorance and anti B.S.
Try to learn from people who know what they are talking about rather than repeating the same tripe for years and never learning from being corrected. The Kurds want to steal someone else's land and create an ethno state, that's what Israel has done and wants to do more of it. Palestinians want their own land back and Palestinians Christians, Muslims and Jews lived in relative calm before the Zionist movement went into overdrive. So THEY HAD INTEGRATED before the European colonists came along and forced them off their land. The Zionist apartheid regime must fall like the Kurds and learn to live like the rest of the world. It is you who crows about nationalism while supporting ethno states so DO NOT talk to me about double standards.
Wrong AGAIN. The Kurds have been fighting SYRIANS, they will fight anyone including ISIS. But the main people who have had to deal with the US backed head chopping brigades are the people of Syria.


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08 Oct 2019, 3:37 pm

If the US cared about fighting ISIS they'd have backed Syria and Russia and ISIS would have been gone in a week.


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08 Oct 2019, 4:24 pm

I would have to say that I'm more in favor of the Palestinians having their own country----than in forcing them to integrate into Israeli society.

Trump talk about giving weapons to the Kurds----on FACEBOOK????

The President should be classier than that! He should be doing this through official diplomatic channels. Not putting this stuff out on social media.



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08 Oct 2019, 4:30 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Quite incredible that we have people whining about nationalism while crowing for an ethno state.

There's a massive elephant in the room which no imperialist cares about... SYRIANS. It is the US and others that have set their country on fire to try to enforce an ethno state to weaken Syria. The Kurdish army are not helpless children which maternalistic racists seem to suggest, they are an army that has tried to terrorise its way into a state. Murdering and raping Christians on its way. Turkey is more of an important and valuable ally than the Kurds. They need to integrate or face the consequences. Given that Israel supports a Kurdish state and got 77% of its oil from the Kurdish held region in Iraq before Iraq took back its land, the Kurdish state could be within Israel.


As a matter of fact, the Kurds and the situation they're in have more in common with the Palestinians than anyone else. But because you are so Anti-Israel, you refuse to acknowledge that fact.
Why can't the Palestinians just integrate rather than agitate for their own ethno-state? What makes them so different from the Kurds? You seem to have a double standard on this issue.
I see you forgot to mention that it was the Kurds who had put their lives on the line defeating ISIS.


You don't know anything about these issues. It's because I'm anti ignorance and anti B.S.
Try to learn from people who know what they are talking about rather than repeating the same tripe for years and never learning from being corrected. The Kurds want to steal someone else's land and create an ethno state, that's what Israel has done and wants to do more of it. Palestinians want their own land back and Palestinians Christians, Muslims and Jews lived in relative calm before the Zionist movement went into overdrive. So THEY HAD INTEGRATED before the European colonists came along and forced them off their land. The Zionist apartheid regime must fall like the Kurds and learn to live like the rest of the world. It is you who crows about nationalism while supporting ethno states so DO NOT talk to me about double standards.
Wrong AGAIN. The Kurds have been fighting SYRIANS, they will fight anyone including ISIS. But the main people who have had to deal with the US backed head chopping brigades are the people of Syria.


No, you're wrong about everything.
The Kurds have inhabited the land where they live for centuries. It's their land, but the governments that should have been looking out for them as citizens treated them like pariahs.
The Palestinians want all Jews out of their land, making it "Jew Free - the Nazi term of Juden Frei." That is the very definition of an ethno state!


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08 Oct 2019, 4:59 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I would have to say that I'm more in favor of the Palestinians having their own country----than in forcing them to integrate into Israeli society.

Trump talk about giving weapons to the Kurds----on FACEBOOK????

The President should be classier than that! He should be doing this through official diplomatic channels. Not putting this stuff out on social media.


He said it on Twitter actually :wink:


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08 Oct 2019, 5:06 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Quite incredible that we have people whining about nationalism while crowing for an ethno state.

There's a massive elephant in the room which no imperialist cares about... SYRIANS. It is the US and others that have set their country on fire to try to enforce an ethno state to weaken Syria. The Kurdish army are not helpless children which maternalistic racists seem to suggest, they are an army that has tried to terrorise its way into a state. Murdering and raping Christians on its way. Turkey is more of an important and valuable ally than the Kurds. They need to integrate or face the consequences. Given that Israel supports a Kurdish state and got 77% of its oil from the Kurdish held region in Iraq before Iraq took back its land, the Kurdish state could be within Israel.


As a matter of fact, the Kurds and the situation they're in have more in common with the Palestinians than anyone else. But because you are so Anti-Israel, you refuse to acknowledge that fact.
Why can't the Palestinians just integrate rather than agitate for their own ethno-state? What makes them so different from the Kurds? You seem to have a double standard on this issue.
I see you forgot to mention that it was the Kurds who had put their lives on the line defeating ISIS.


You don't know anything about these issues. It's because I'm anti ignorance and anti B.S.
Try to learn from people who know what they are talking about rather than repeating the same tripe for years and never learning from being corrected. The Kurds want to steal someone else's land and create an ethno state, that's what Israel has done and wants to do more of it. Palestinians want their own land back and Palestinians Christians, Muslims and Jews lived in relative calm before the Zionist movement went into overdrive. So THEY HAD INTEGRATED before the European colonists came along and forced them off their land. The Zionist apartheid regime must fall like the Kurds and learn to live like the rest of the world. It is you who crows about nationalism while supporting ethno states so DO NOT talk to me about double standards.
Wrong AGAIN. The Kurds have been fighting SYRIANS, they will fight anyone including ISIS. But the main people who have had to deal with the US backed head chopping brigades are the people of Syria.


No, you're wrong about everything.
The Kurds have inhabited the land where they live for centuries. It's their land, but the governments that should have been looking out for them as citizens treated them like pariahs.
The Palestinians want all Jews out of their land, making it "Jew Free - the Nazi term of Juden Frei." That is the very definition of an ethno state!


'I know you are but what am I?' Grow the hell up. Have some damn shame and learn from other people rather than making excuses for racist war mongers and calling Palestinians Nazis because of your astounding ignorance and bigotry. Stop pretending you care about Kurds. Their ethno state dream is over. Ethnic nepotism doesn't work.
At least you've shown your true colours.


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08 Oct 2019, 6:58 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Quite incredible that we have people whining about nationalism while crowing for an ethno state.

There's a massive elephant in the room which no imperialist cares about... SYRIANS. It is the US and others that have set their country on fire to try to enforce an ethno state to weaken Syria. The Kurdish army are not helpless children which maternalistic racists seem to suggest, they are an army that has tried to terrorise its way into a state. Murdering and raping Christians on its way. Turkey is more of an important and valuable ally than the Kurds. They need to integrate or face the consequences. Given that Israel supports a Kurdish state and got 77% of its oil from the Kurdish held region in Iraq before Iraq took back its land, the Kurdish state could be within Israel.


As a matter of fact, the Kurds and the situation they're in have more in common with the Palestinians than anyone else. But because you are so Anti-Israel, you refuse to acknowledge that fact.
Why can't the Palestinians just integrate rather than agitate for their own ethno-state? What makes them so different from the Kurds? You seem to have a double standard on this issue.
I see you forgot to mention that it was the Kurds who had put their lives on the line defeating ISIS.


You don't know anything about these issues. It's because I'm anti ignorance and anti B.S.
Try to learn from people who know what they are talking about rather than repeating the same tripe for years and never learning from being corrected. The Kurds want to steal someone else's land and create an ethno state, that's what Israel has done and wants to do more of it. Palestinians want their own land back and Palestinians Christians, Muslims and Jews lived in relative calm before the Zionist movement went into overdrive. So THEY HAD INTEGRATED before the European colonists came along and forced them off their land. The Zionist apartheid regime must fall like the Kurds and learn to live like the rest of the world. It is you who crows about nationalism while supporting ethno states so DO NOT talk to me about double standards.
Wrong AGAIN. The Kurds have been fighting SYRIANS, they will fight anyone including ISIS. But the main people who have had to deal with the US backed head chopping brigades are the people of Syria.


No, you're wrong about everything.
The Kurds have inhabited the land where they live for centuries. It's their land, but the governments that should have been looking out for them as citizens treated them like pariahs.
The Palestinians want all Jews out of their land, making it "Jew Free - the Nazi term of Juden Frei." That is the very definition of an ethno state!


'I know you are but what am I?' Grow the hell up. Have some damn shame and learn from other people rather than making excuses for racist war mongers and calling Palestinians Nazis because of your astounding ignorance and bigotry. Stop pretending you care about Kurds. Their ethno state dream is over. Ethnic nepotism doesn't work.
At least you've shown your true colours.


Says the guy who wants to keep desperate brown refugees from coming to his country.
For the record, keeping the West Bank and Gaza "Jew free" is Palestinian policy. The Palestinian religious leader who had been the first to call for Jews to be driven into the sea was Hitler's ally.


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08 Oct 2019, 7:48 pm

Apparently, Trump doesn't like personal conflict, and Erdogan was able to get his way by yelling at Trump:



Most world leaders take the wrong approach and try to kiss Trump's you-know-what instead.

Trump then came out with a demand that, while Turkey may make a "moderate incursion" into Syria, it better not be too big, or the US will withdraw all of its troops. :?


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09 Oct 2019, 1:14 am

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Regarding how languages can attach themselves to differing ethnic groups reminds me of the southern region of Germanic Europe. While in Austria, much of Switzerland, and the southern part of Germany (south Baden-Wurttemberg and southern Bavaria), the language is clearly German, but DNA investigations have found that the population there is more Celtic than anything else. Doubtlessly due to a Germanic minority taking over these areas after the fall of Rome, who then imposed their language and identity on the Romanized Celts. Very possibly, Celts who remained outside of the Roman Empire, no longer having a continent of ethically and linguistically continuum of related tribes to share their identity with, had ultimately gravitated toward their Germanic and Slavic neighbors, and adopted their identities and languages.


The Franks Germanised quite a number of tribes under Charlemagne.


The Franks themselves were probably of Celto-Germanic admixture themselves, dating back to their ancestors being part of a prehistoric Celtic/Germanic contact zone called the Nordwestblock, where people exchanged not only words, weapons, and material culture, but also genetic material.


The origin of the Germans is thought to be Gotland in Scandanavia. The Goths who swept southward overran and assimilated the remnants of the celts who lived in modern germany and Austria who were decimated by the expanding Romans. When the Germanic Franks were facing the expanding Huns they went south and formed the kingdom of France. They chased the Friesians from Flanders who occupied the newly vacated Roman lands in Britain and became the kingdom of England. The Slavs were being plundered by the Mongols the Varangian Rus moved east and formed the kingdom of Russia.

Would be fair to say that modern Europe was founded by the Germans.



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09 Oct 2019, 1:16 am

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If the US cared about fighting ISIS they'd have backed Syria and Russia and ISIS would have been gone in a week.


I actually agree with this...but geopolitics is a complex dance...



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09 Oct 2019, 1:45 am

cyberdad wrote:
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cyberdad wrote:
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Regarding how languages can attach themselves to differing ethnic groups reminds me of the southern region of Germanic Europe. While in Austria, much of Switzerland, and the southern part of Germany (south Baden-Wurttemberg and southern Bavaria), the language is clearly German, but DNA investigations have found that the population there is more Celtic than anything else. Doubtlessly due to a Germanic minority taking over these areas after the fall of Rome, who then imposed their language and identity on the Romanized Celts. Very possibly, Celts who remained outside of the Roman Empire, no longer having a continent of ethically and linguistically continuum of related tribes to share their identity with, had ultimately gravitated toward their Germanic and Slavic neighbors, and adopted their identities and languages.


The Franks Germanised quite a number of tribes under Charlemagne.


The Franks themselves were probably of Celto-Germanic admixture themselves, dating back to their ancestors being part of a prehistoric Celtic/Germanic contact zone called the Nordwestblock, where people exchanged not only words, weapons, and material culture, but also genetic material.


The origin of the Germans is thought to be Gotland in Scandanavia. The Goths who swept southward overran and assimilated the remnants of the celts who lived in modern germany and Austria who were decimated by the expanding Romans. When the Germanic Franks were facing the expanding Huns they went south and formed the kingdom of France. They chased the Friesians from Flanders who occupied the newly vacated Roman lands in Britain and became the kingdom of England. The Slavs were being plundered by the Mongols the Varangian Rus moved east and formed the kingdom of Russia.

Would be fair to say that modern Europe was founded by the Germans.


I believe the Roman Emperor, Julian the Apostate, had settled Frankish prisoners of war in Flanders and the rest of Belgium, and made them allies on Roman soil.
The Franks had of course colonized the lower and middle Rhineland which was inhabited by Romanized Celts, as well as southwest and central Germany at the expense of other Germanic groups such as the Alemanni and Thuringians.
There is dispute about the identity of the Varangians and the Rus, but most scholars feel they had been Swedish Vikings who had colonized Slavic lands, giving their name to the country. A minority of scholars believe the Rus were Slavs.


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I believe the Roman Emperor, Julian the Apostate, had settled Frankish prisoners of war in Flanders and the rest of Belgium, and made them allies on Roman soil..


Yes I've mentioned before that Vortigern the last Celtic king of Britain appealed to the Romans for troops to stave off incursions from the pagan Picts in the north after the Romans retreated from Britain in the 5th Century AD. It's my strong belief that the Romans sent these Germanic troops (the ones you mention) who may have been Roman mercanaries to help Vortigern. Coincidentally the venerable Bede records in the 5th century AD the two brothers Hengist and Horsa and their band of Anglo-Saxon mercanries were "invited" by Vortigern to quell the Picts. The rest is history. The Anglo-Saxons defeated the Picts and then turned on the Britons basically overunning the entire east of Britain which became England and thanks to these two enterprising (but Machiavellian) brothers we are now communicating in modern English on this forum.



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Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Quite incredible that we have people whining about nationalism while crowing for an ethno state.

There's a massive elephant in the room which no imperialist cares about... SYRIANS. It is the US and others that have set their country on fire to try to enforce an ethno state to weaken Syria. The Kurdish army are not helpless children which maternalistic racists seem to suggest, they are an army that has tried to terrorise its way into a state. Murdering and raping Christians on its way. Turkey is more of an important and valuable ally than the Kurds. They need to integrate or face the consequences. Given that Israel supports a Kurdish state and got 77% of its oil from the Kurdish held region in Iraq before Iraq took back its land, the Kurdish state could be within Israel.


As a matter of fact, the Kurds and the situation they're in have more in common with the Palestinians than anyone else. But because you are so Anti-Israel, you refuse to acknowledge that fact.
Why can't the Palestinians just integrate rather than agitate for their own ethno-state? What makes them so different from the Kurds? You seem to have a double standard on this issue.
I see you forgot to mention that it was the Kurds who had put their lives on the line defeating ISIS.


You don't know anything about these issues. It's because I'm anti ignorance and anti B.S.
Try to learn from people who know what they are talking about rather than repeating the same tripe for years and never learning from being corrected. The Kurds want to steal someone else's land and create an ethno state, that's what Israel has done and wants to do more of it. Palestinians want their own land back and Palestinians Christians, Muslims and Jews lived in relative calm before the Zionist movement went into overdrive. So THEY HAD INTEGRATED before the European colonists came along and forced them off their land. The Zionist apartheid regime must fall like the Kurds and learn to live like the rest of the world. It is you who crows about nationalism while supporting ethno states so DO NOT talk to me about double standards.
Wrong AGAIN. The Kurds have been fighting SYRIANS, they will fight anyone including ISIS. But the main people who have had to deal with the US backed head chopping brigades are the people of Syria.


No, you're wrong about everything.
The Kurds have inhabited the land where they live for centuries. It's their land, but the governments that should have been looking out for them as citizens treated them like pariahs.
The Palestinians want all Jews out of their land, making it "Jew Free - the Nazi term of Juden Frei." That is the very definition of an ethno state!


'I know you are but what am I?' Grow the hell up. Have some damn shame and learn from other people rather than making excuses for racist war mongers and calling Palestinians Nazis because of your astounding ignorance and bigotry. Stop pretending you care about Kurds. Their ethno state dream is over. Ethnic nepotism doesn't work.
At least you've shown your true colours.


Says the guy who wants to keep desperate brown refugees from coming to his country.
For the record, keeping the West Bank and Gaza "Jew free" is Palestinian policy. The Palestinian religious leader who had been the first to call for Jews to be driven into the sea was Hitler's ally.


Something like those poor pitiful brown people are so dependent on our superiority. We are the parent, they are the child, cause you know, they're brown.