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15 Jul 2020, 3:50 pm
jimmy m wrote:
So those 8,071 deaths did not all occur during the week of 7/11 but rather were spread out over the entire reporting period. Only 272 actually occurred during the week of 7/11. One of those deaths even occurred during the week of March 7 but was reported this week. Around half of these deaths occurred prior to the week of 23 May.
On google ...
https://www.google.com/search?client=op ... 8&oe=UTF-8
US deaths
=====
july 7 902 deaths
july 8 810 deaths
july 9 874 deaths
july 10 839 deaths
july 11 729 deaths
july 12 482 deaths
july 13 282 deaths
july 14 787 deaths
So, it looks like coronavirus is roaring back ?
The total US death was just 124k recently, now 138k. 14k people died in the last few weeks ? YIKES.
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15 Jul 2020, 4:03 pm
TheRobotLives wrote:
jimmy m wrote:
So those 8,071 deaths did not all occur during the week of 7/11 but rather were spread out over the entire reporting period. Only 272 actually occurred during the week of 7/11. One of those deaths even occurred during the week of March 7 but was reported this week. Around half of these deaths occurred prior to the week of 23 May.
On google ...
https://www.google.com/search?client=op ... 8&oe=UTF-8
US deaths
=====
july 7 902 deaths
july 8 810 deaths
july 9 874 deaths
july 10 839 deaths
july 11 729 deaths
july 12 482 deaths
july 13 282 deaths
july 14 787 deaths
So, it looks like coronavirus is roaring back ?
The total US death was just 124k like a week ago, now 138k. 14k people died in a week or 10 days ? YIKES.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Coronavirus deaths in the US have obvious week cycle, with less deaths reported on Sundays and Mondays. To see the trends, you need to compare weeks, not days (or use 7 day moving average).
Second wave in the US is clearly visible in confirmed cases but surges in deaths go some 3 weeks after surges in cases so it is yet to be seen.
Unfortunately, I've read COVID statistics are going to change the way of being handled
Quote:
(...) as of 15 July, US hospitals will have to report Covid-19 patient data to the federal health agency in Washington instead of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC).
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53423927Such a change may disrupt available data and hide real trends during the transition.
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15 Jul 2020, 4:08 pm
magz wrote:
Second wave in the US is clearly visible in confirmed cases but surges in deaths go some 3 weeks after surges in cases so it is yet to be seen.
Deaths seem to be about 700 per day for the last few weeks.
You're expecting it might go much higher?
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15 Jul 2020, 4:43 pm
TheRobotLives wrote:
magz wrote:
Second wave in the US is clearly visible in confirmed cases but surges in deaths go some 3 weeks after surges in cases so it is yet to be seen.
Deaths seem to be about 700 per day for the last few weeks.
You're expecting it might go much higher?
Honestly? Yes. I expect it to cross 2,000/day again - just assumming that of current 60,000 confirmed cases/day, some 3%-4% die in 4 weeks.
Sorry.
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15 Jul 2020, 4:50 pm
I have a remote worker who lives in El Salvador. She reports that there are no hospital beds, no oxygen, no ventilators for anyone who is sick. People in El Salvador are now told if you get sick, do not come to the hospital because there is no help there. Just stay home. (and presumable either get better or die...)
She also reports that when the lockdown was lifted, people went out without masks or any protection and the rates of infection are soaring.
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15 Jul 2020, 6:51 pm
Fauci: ‘Bizarre’ White House Behavior Only Hurts the President
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Anthony Fauci isn’t about to quit, despite the White House’s clumsy attempts to stain his public image. More so now than at any other point in their uneasy partnership, it seems that if President Donald Trump wants to be rid of Fauci, he’ll need to fire him. In recent days especially, the White House has stepped up efforts to discredit Fauci, a move he describes as “bizarre.”
“Ultimately, it hurts the president to do that,” Fauci told The Atlantic in a series of interviews this week. “When the staff lets out something like that and the entire scientific and press community push back on it, it ultimately hurts the president.”
He described the White House attacks against him as “nonsense” and “completely wrong.” He also seemed dismayed that they are coming at a time when COVID-19 is surging across the country, deaths are once again rising, and Americans remain deeply confused about how to keep themselves and their loved ones safe.
Targeting Fauci seems like a tragic misuse of White House time and energy if officials’ aim is to defeat the coronavirus. But Trump appears more concerned with discrediting Fauci. Over the weekend, the White House sent multiple news outlets a document that smacked of opposition research. It carried a list of statements Fauci had made about COVID-19, purporting to show that he had contradicted himself about the outbreak and that he “has been wrong on things.” In one example from an NBC interview in February, the White House omitted Fauci’s full quote, giving the impression that he’d misjudged the outbreak’s danger. Peter Navarro, Trump’s top trade adviser, wrote an op-ed for USA Today yesterday claiming that Fauci has been “wrong about everything I have interacted with him on.” (A Trump communications aide tried to distance the White House from the op-ed this morning.)
The attempt to discredit Fauci’s public-health expertise is a political move, and one with disastrous implications. As much as Trump wants and needs Americans to see the virus as a nuisance that’s soon to be overcome, Fauci is a recurring reminder that the crisis remains a grave and enduring threat, and that Trump has mishandled the pandemic. The Americans who believe the White House’s anti-science campaign risk cutting themselves off from potentially life-saving information.
“I cannot figure out in my wildest dreams why they would want to do that,” Fauci told The Atlantic, in reference to the White House document. “I think they realize now that that was not a prudent thing to do, because it’s only reflecting negatively on them.
“I can’t explain Peter Navarro,” he added. “He’s in a world by himself.”
My colleague Ed Yong and I spoke with Fauci in two interviews over the past 24 hours—about the oppo against him, the private discussion he had later with White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, and the nation’s faltering response to the virus’s resurgence. What follows is an edited and combined transcript of our conversations.
The Atlantic: In your 36-year history as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has anything like this ever happened to you? What do you think about the White House’s claim that you made inaccurate statements about the pandemic?
Anthony Fauci: I stand by everything I said. Contextually, at the time I said it, it was absolutely true … [The White House document] is totally wrong. It’s nonsense. It’s completely wrong. The whole thing is wrong. The whole thing is incorrect.
The Atlantic: Why did the White House do this?
Fauci: I don’t know.
The Atlantic: You are the government’s top health adviser, and the government you’re trying to advise is actively trying to discredit you. How do you work like that?
Fauci: Well, that is a bit bizarre. And I have to tell you, I think if I sit here and just shrug my shoulders and say, “Well, you know, that’s life in the fast lane ...”
I think if you sit down and talk to the people who are involved in that list that came out, they are really, I think, taken aback by what a big mistake that was. I think if you talk to reasonable people in the White House, they realize that was a major mistake on their part, because it doesn’t do anything but reflect poorly on them. And I don’t think that that was their intention. I cannot figure out in my wildest dreams why they would want to do that. I think they realize now that that was not a prudent thing to do, because it’s only reflecting negatively on them.
I can’t explain Peter Navarro. He’s in a world by himself. So I don’t even want to go there.
The Atlantic: You met Monday with Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff. What did you tell him?
Fauci: I said that that was not particularly a good thing to do. Ultimately, it hurts the president to do that. When the staff lets out something like that and the entire scientific and press community push back on it, it ultimately hurts the president. And I don’t really want to hurt the president. But that’s what’s happening. I told him I thought it was a big mistake. That doesn’t serve any good purpose for what we’re trying to do.
The Atlantic: Did Meadows offer an explanation or an apology?
Fauci: No. There was no apology. He said that he didn’t know about it.
The Atlantic: Given this experience, do you still want to work with the administration? Have you thought about resigning?
Fauci: No. I think the problem is too important for me to get into those kinds of thoughts and discussions. I just want to do my job. I’m really good at it. I think I can contribute. And I’m going to keep doing it.
The Atlantic: There’s been some reporting that the Trump administration has tried to cut back on your TV interviews. Isn’t it important at this moment for the nation and the world to hear from you?
Fauci: I can’t make a comment on that, but I think you know what the answer to that is.
The Atlantic: Can you update us on your relationship with the president?
Fauci: Well, the scene has changed a bit. When we were having frequent press briefings, I had the opportunity to have a personal one-on-one to talk to the president. I haven’t done that in a while. But a day does not go by that I am not in contact with Debbie Birx [the White House coronavirus-response coordinator], with Bob Redfield [the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention], or Steve Hahn [the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration] and others. My input to the president goes through the vice president. But clearly, the vice president—literally every day—is listening to what we have to say, there’s no doubt about that.
The Atlantic: Do you know why it is that you don’t talk to President Trump more often?
Fauci: No, I don’t.
The Atlantic: Everyone who knows you has talked about the fact that you are indefatigably honest; that is your reputation, someone who always tells the truth. Can you tell us the truth about the federal response to the pandemic?
Fauci: When you look at the numbers, obviously, we’ve got to do better. We’ve got to almost reset this and say, “Okay, let’s stop this nonsense.” We’ve got to figure out, How can we get our control over this now, and, looking forward, how can we make sure that next month, we don’t have another example of California, Texas, Florida, and Arizona? So rather than these games people are playing, let’s focus on that.
The Atlantic: How much worse do you expect the pandemic to get? How do we get back to a better place?
Fauci: By pushing a reset button, I don’t mean everybody locking down again. We’ve got to call a time-out and say, “If you’re going to open, we’ve got to get everybody on the same team.” I’m not going to name any states—that’s not helpful—but some states did, in fact, prematurely jump over some checkpoints.
Even though we are in the middle of a setback now—you can’t deny that; look at the numbers, you’re dealing with 40,000 to 60,000 infections in a day—it doesn’t mean we’re going to be defeated. But states that are in trouble right now, if those states pause and say, “Okay, we’re going to do it right, everyone wear a mask, bars closed, no congregating in crowds, keep your distance, protect the vulnerable”—if we do that for a few weeks in a row, I’ll guarantee you those numbers will come down.
The Atlantic: We recently published a piece about burnout among public-health experts trying to fight this pandemic. You clearly have been very much a part of that. How are you doing? How are you coping?
Fauci: I’m doing okay; I’m doing fine. I am running a bit on fumes, but as they say, the fumes are really thick. It’s enough to keep me going. I wish we didn’t have a lot of those distractions, which I think are noise that gets in the way. But I put that aside, try not to let it bother me, and just move ahead.
“Ultimately, it hurts the president to do that,” Fauci told The Atlantic in a series of interviews this week. “When the staff lets out something like that and the entire scientific and press community push back on it, it ultimately hurts the president.”
He described the White House attacks against him as “nonsense” and “completely wrong.” He also seemed dismayed that they are coming at a time when COVID-19 is surging across the country, deaths are once again rising, and Americans remain deeply confused about how to keep themselves and their loved ones safe.
Targeting Fauci seems like a tragic misuse of White House time and energy if officials’ aim is to defeat the coronavirus. But Trump appears more concerned with discrediting Fauci. Over the weekend, the White House sent multiple news outlets a document that smacked of opposition research. It carried a list of statements Fauci had made about COVID-19, purporting to show that he had contradicted himself about the outbreak and that he “has been wrong on things.” In one example from an NBC interview in February, the White House omitted Fauci’s full quote, giving the impression that he’d misjudged the outbreak’s danger. Peter Navarro, Trump’s top trade adviser, wrote an op-ed for USA Today yesterday claiming that Fauci has been “wrong about everything I have interacted with him on.” (A Trump communications aide tried to distance the White House from the op-ed this morning.)
The attempt to discredit Fauci’s public-health expertise is a political move, and one with disastrous implications. As much as Trump wants and needs Americans to see the virus as a nuisance that’s soon to be overcome, Fauci is a recurring reminder that the crisis remains a grave and enduring threat, and that Trump has mishandled the pandemic. The Americans who believe the White House’s anti-science campaign risk cutting themselves off from potentially life-saving information.
“I cannot figure out in my wildest dreams why they would want to do that,” Fauci told The Atlantic, in reference to the White House document. “I think they realize now that that was not a prudent thing to do, because it’s only reflecting negatively on them.
“I can’t explain Peter Navarro,” he added. “He’s in a world by himself.”
My colleague Ed Yong and I spoke with Fauci in two interviews over the past 24 hours—about the oppo against him, the private discussion he had later with White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, and the nation’s faltering response to the virus’s resurgence. What follows is an edited and combined transcript of our conversations.
The Atlantic: In your 36-year history as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has anything like this ever happened to you? What do you think about the White House’s claim that you made inaccurate statements about the pandemic?
Anthony Fauci: I stand by everything I said. Contextually, at the time I said it, it was absolutely true … [The White House document] is totally wrong. It’s nonsense. It’s completely wrong. The whole thing is wrong. The whole thing is incorrect.
The Atlantic: Why did the White House do this?
Fauci: I don’t know.
The Atlantic: You are the government’s top health adviser, and the government you’re trying to advise is actively trying to discredit you. How do you work like that?
Fauci: Well, that is a bit bizarre. And I have to tell you, I think if I sit here and just shrug my shoulders and say, “Well, you know, that’s life in the fast lane ...”
I think if you sit down and talk to the people who are involved in that list that came out, they are really, I think, taken aback by what a big mistake that was. I think if you talk to reasonable people in the White House, they realize that was a major mistake on their part, because it doesn’t do anything but reflect poorly on them. And I don’t think that that was their intention. I cannot figure out in my wildest dreams why they would want to do that. I think they realize now that that was not a prudent thing to do, because it’s only reflecting negatively on them.
I can’t explain Peter Navarro. He’s in a world by himself. So I don’t even want to go there.
The Atlantic: You met Monday with Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff. What did you tell him?
Fauci: I said that that was not particularly a good thing to do. Ultimately, it hurts the president to do that. When the staff lets out something like that and the entire scientific and press community push back on it, it ultimately hurts the president. And I don’t really want to hurt the president. But that’s what’s happening. I told him I thought it was a big mistake. That doesn’t serve any good purpose for what we’re trying to do.
The Atlantic: Did Meadows offer an explanation or an apology?
Fauci: No. There was no apology. He said that he didn’t know about it.
The Atlantic: Given this experience, do you still want to work with the administration? Have you thought about resigning?
Fauci: No. I think the problem is too important for me to get into those kinds of thoughts and discussions. I just want to do my job. I’m really good at it. I think I can contribute. And I’m going to keep doing it.
The Atlantic: There’s been some reporting that the Trump administration has tried to cut back on your TV interviews. Isn’t it important at this moment for the nation and the world to hear from you?
Fauci: I can’t make a comment on that, but I think you know what the answer to that is.
The Atlantic: Can you update us on your relationship with the president?
Fauci: Well, the scene has changed a bit. When we were having frequent press briefings, I had the opportunity to have a personal one-on-one to talk to the president. I haven’t done that in a while. But a day does not go by that I am not in contact with Debbie Birx [the White House coronavirus-response coordinator], with Bob Redfield [the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention], or Steve Hahn [the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration] and others. My input to the president goes through the vice president. But clearly, the vice president—literally every day—is listening to what we have to say, there’s no doubt about that.
The Atlantic: Do you know why it is that you don’t talk to President Trump more often?
Fauci: No, I don’t.
The Atlantic: Everyone who knows you has talked about the fact that you are indefatigably honest; that is your reputation, someone who always tells the truth. Can you tell us the truth about the federal response to the pandemic?
Fauci: When you look at the numbers, obviously, we’ve got to do better. We’ve got to almost reset this and say, “Okay, let’s stop this nonsense.” We’ve got to figure out, How can we get our control over this now, and, looking forward, how can we make sure that next month, we don’t have another example of California, Texas, Florida, and Arizona? So rather than these games people are playing, let’s focus on that.
The Atlantic: How much worse do you expect the pandemic to get? How do we get back to a better place?
Fauci: By pushing a reset button, I don’t mean everybody locking down again. We’ve got to call a time-out and say, “If you’re going to open, we’ve got to get everybody on the same team.” I’m not going to name any states—that’s not helpful—but some states did, in fact, prematurely jump over some checkpoints.
Even though we are in the middle of a setback now—you can’t deny that; look at the numbers, you’re dealing with 40,000 to 60,000 infections in a day—it doesn’t mean we’re going to be defeated. But states that are in trouble right now, if those states pause and say, “Okay, we’re going to do it right, everyone wear a mask, bars closed, no congregating in crowds, keep your distance, protect the vulnerable”—if we do that for a few weeks in a row, I’ll guarantee you those numbers will come down.
The Atlantic: We recently published a piece about burnout among public-health experts trying to fight this pandemic. You clearly have been very much a part of that. How are you doing? How are you coping?
Fauci: I’m doing okay; I’m doing fine. I am running a bit on fumes, but as they say, the fumes are really thick. It’s enough to keep me going. I wish we didn’t have a lot of those distractions, which I think are noise that gets in the way. But I put that aside, try not to let it bother me, and just move ahead.
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15 Jul 2020, 10:05 pm
TheRobotLives wrote:
jimmy m wrote:
So those 8,071 deaths did not all occur during the week of 7/11 but rather were spread out over the entire reporting period. Only 272 actually occurred during the week of 7/11. One of those deaths even occurred during the week of March 7 but was reported this week. Around half of these deaths occurred prior to the week of 23 May.
On google ...
https://www.google.com/search?client=op ... 8&oe=UTF-8
US deaths
=====
july 7 902 deaths
july 8 810 deaths
july 9 874 deaths
july 10 839 deaths
july 11 729 deaths
july 12 482 deaths
july 13 282 deaths
july 14 787 deaths
So, it looks like coronavirus is roaring back ?
The total US death was just 124k recently, now 138k. 14k people died in the last few weeks ? YIKES.
If you look at the graph in the link you provided it reads "Each day shows deaths reported since the previous day"
These are reported deaths not actual death dates. Many of the deaths reported occurred weeks or months earlier. It is a time lag on accounting. Around half of these deaths actually occurred prior to the week of 23 May. One of the reported deaths even took place in March.
These are the dates that the death was reported and not the dates that the actual death occurred on. That is a big difference.
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Last edited by jimmy m on 15 Jul 2020, 10:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
15 Jul 2020, 10:14 pm
There is a major problem in the way the number of new coronavirus infections are being counted in the U.S.
If a person is tested multiple times and comes up positive multiple times, many are being counted as new case infections multiple times.
For example in Ohio, the hospitals will not release someone with COVID-19 back out into the streets until they test negative, in other words cured of the disease. So a person in Ohio was tested each day for 15 days and results showed that they were infected with the virus (positive test results). On day 16, the results came back negative and they were discharged from the hospital.
This individual was counted as 15 new cases of the coronavirus. [They should have been counted only once.]
So the number of confirmed new cases may be an artifact of sloppy accounting practices.
At the beginning test kits were in short supply. Now they are plentiful. So now it is common for individuals to be tested multiple times, especially if they receive positive results.
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16 Jul 2020, 1:06 am
magz wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
magz wrote:
Second wave in the US is clearly visible in confirmed cases but surges in deaths go some 3 weeks after surges in cases so it is yet to be seen.
Deaths seem to be about 700 per day for the last few weeks.
You're expecting it might go much higher?
Honestly? Yes. I expect it to cross 2,000/day again - just assumming that of current 60,000 confirmed cases/day, some 3%-4% die in 4 weeks.
Sorry.
WOW yesterday ... 1,413 deaths reported.
Most single day deaths reported since May 20th.
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16 Jul 2020, 2:33 am
a few inbred-looking teenagers entered the store where i work (washington state), no masks on. i didn't hear exactly what he said, but one of my coworkers approached them with masks. and he looked really upset as he was talking to these kids.
they're going to be the death of us. i talked to laurie 
during my break and she says they do this often, and are just playing dumb.
jfc
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16 Jul 2020, 7:50 am
TheRobotLives wrote:
WOW yesterday ... 1,413 deaths reported.
Most single day deaths reported since May 20th.
Most single day deaths reported since May 20th.
You are looking at historical trend data rather than current trend data. How many of those 1,413 deaths occurred in the last week?
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16 Jul 2020, 8:09 am
jimmy m wrote:
in the beginning test kits were in short supply.A Now they are plentiful. So now it is common for individuals to be tested...
(my bold)
Tests are not plentiful where I live. People, unless they are willing to private pay and go to a specialist, cannot get a test without showing symptoms. Even with symptoms, the wait is long. In rural areas, testing is only done, say, Wednesday mornings from 10 am to noon.
I know because I have over a hundred clients and all those have families, caregivers, group home staffs. And they can't get tests without delay and the labs are backed up so that even tests that show results quickly, don't get processed for a week or so.
There is a surge of cases in my area, which is a four county area in southwest Florida. It is in almost every group home. It is in families and in staff. We are on the brink of having so many people testing positive there is no way to keep people isolated and safe.
Parents and family members of people living in group homes have not been able to see their loved ones now for four months. I can't go into the homes either. There is NO ONE checking to see that these people are being treated properly or that staff are following guidelines or anything.
There also are not enough masks and other PPE for the group homes. You can't buy them in a quantity to mask all staff in a large group home. You can find them on amazon, but delivery time is weeks.
This is not a problem that is being solved. It is a problem that is escalating. And it is affecting vulnerable people who cannot take care of themselves or speak for themselves.
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16 Jul 2020, 9:09 am
And then we can add this to an already terrible situation:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica ... &ocid=a2hs
16 Jul 2020, 9:15 am
That's concerning, that might mean that the Coronavirus will be endemic and that a vaccine might not be possible. I hope that's not the case.
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16 Jul 2020, 12:38 pm
jimmy m wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
WOW yesterday ... 1,413 deaths reported.
Most single day deaths reported since May 20th.
Most single day deaths reported since May 20th.
You are looking at historical trend data rather than current trend data. How many of those 1,413 deaths occurred in the last week?
It doesn't say when they occurred.
It says they were reported yesterday.
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16 Jul 2020, 12:51 pm
The purpose of these stats is viewing trends, not exact numbers - if it's becoming better or worse in various places over time. Things like - the East Coast is now stable after being hit hard early, the South is in the phase of rapid growth, Louisiana is seeing a second wave, etc.
It would be impossible to collect precise data in real time, not while doing all the necessary things to survive.
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