Greta Thunberg sexually assaulted in cartoon

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03 Mar 2020, 11:47 am

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The image is socially unacceptable and it's not a big deal if there is a public reaction against it. That point stands, regardless of which public figure is being depicted and how so ever you feel about them.


The image (winch is a stolen tattoo stencil made years ago) is not that big of a deal and people are over reacting to it, thus feeding the troll who altered it. As for how I feel about Greta, my feelings are neutral. I do however think people are over idolizing her.



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03 Mar 2020, 11:55 am

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I have a feeling the tattoo artist who drew the thing years ago was not trying to depict a violent rape scene.
Like I said earlier, it depicts a common porn trope -- "Giddyup" I think it's called. Since the original drawing preceded Ms. Thunberg's arrival on the international scene by several years, it is a long stretch of the imagination to claim that the original drawing was intended to depict her. The modified drawing was certainly in poor taste at the very least, however. I'd like to see that "artist" get thoroughly doxed.


The artist has already come forward. The image was used without his consent and he is planning a lawsuit.

Here is his facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pg/GermanGabrielCanalla/about/



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03 Mar 2020, 12:03 pm

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I have a feeling the tattoo artist who drew the thing years ago was not trying to depict a violent rape scene.
Like I said earlier, it depicts a common porn trope -- "Giddyup" I think it's called. Since the original drawing preceded Ms. Thunberg's arrival on the international scene by several years, it is a long stretch of the imagination to claim that the original drawing was intended to depict her. The modified drawing was certainly in poor taste at the very least, however. I'd like to see that "artist" get thoroughly doxed.
The artist has already come forward. The image was used without his consent and he is planning a lawsuit...
Good. I hope he wins.


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03 Mar 2020, 12:07 pm

Fnord wrote:
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I have a feeling the tattoo artist who drew the thing years ago was not trying to depict a violent rape scene.
Like I said earlier, it depicts a common porn trope -- "Giddyup" I think it's called. Since the original drawing preceded Ms. Thunberg's arrival on the international scene by several years, it is a long stretch of the imagination to claim that the original drawing was intended to depict her. The modified drawing was certainly in poor taste at the very least, however. I'd like to see that "artist" get thoroughly doxed.
The artist has already come forward. The image was used without his consent and he is planning a lawsuit...
Good. I hope he wins.


I got confused between artist and artist. You mean you hope the person who added "Greta" to the stencil gets doxxed.



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03 Mar 2020, 12:08 pm

I'm by no means a lawyer, but will suing for damages work? I thought this was something some dude made and passed around for free among his co-workers. I mean, it'd be different if this was something the company did for a laugh, or something someone made money on.


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03 Mar 2020, 12:16 pm

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I'm by no means a lawyer, but will suing for damages work? I thought this was something some dude made and passed around for free among his co-workers. I mean, it'd be different if this was something the company did for a laugh, or something someone made money on.


His lawsuit would be against the person who used the artist's work without his permission.



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03 Mar 2020, 12:20 pm

Sure, I'm just wondering what the limit for "fair use" is here.


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03 Mar 2020, 12:22 pm

EzraS wrote:
Fnord wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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I have a feeling the tattoo artist who drew the thing years ago was not trying to depict a violent rape scene.
Like I said earlier, it depicts a common porn trope -- "Giddyup" I think it's called. Since the original drawing preceded Ms. Thunberg's arrival on the international scene by several years, it is a long stretch of the imagination to claim that the original drawing was intended to depict her. The modified drawing was certainly in poor taste at the very least, however. I'd like to see that "artist" get thoroughly doxed.
The artist has already come forward. The image was used without his consent and he is planning a lawsuit...
Good. I hope he wins.
I got confused between artist and artist. You mean you hope the person who added "Greta" to the stencil gets doxxed.
Yes. Since his identity will soon become part of the Public Record, my hope has been fulfilled.


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03 Mar 2020, 12:59 pm

EzraS wrote:
domineekee wrote:
The image is socially unacceptable and it's not a big deal if there is a public reaction against it. That point stands, regardless of which public figure is being depicted and how so ever you feel about them.


The image (winch is a stolen tattoo stencil made years ago) is not that big of a deal and people are over reacting to it, thus feeding the troll who altered it. As for how I feel about Greta, my feelings are neutral. I do however think people are over idolizing her.


Oh, Ok Ezra, sorry for mixing things up



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03 Mar 2020, 9:05 pm

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No, I am saying a radical environmentalist might have generated it for publicity and a way to attack the deniers and oil companies. I suspect that the originator of this cartoon cannot remain secret for very long. Take a wait and see for a few days to determine who is really responsible for it.


The distributors are just as guilty as the creator is.

The company says management has accepted responsibility for the decal being distributed.

The decal was likely passed around as a dumb joke by people who don't like Greta. But they never thought it would be shared on social media and go viral.

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The cultural message is misogyny used in an attempt to silence and intimidate such targets.


A (very poorly designed) sticker isn't going to silence or intimidate one of the most vocal, strong-minded, and publicly supported activists of this generation.

If their intention was to silence her, they would have put a lot more thought into it. And they would have done it anonymously rather than attach their company's name.

This was a dumb office in-joke that went too far, and (unfortunately for X-Site) got leaked onto the internet and went viral.



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03 Mar 2020, 9:40 pm

I was thinking rather more generally about misogynistic harassment and the way it is used vis a vis prominent women.

I agree with you that GT won't be silenced by this vile image.

Women of all ages in political life generally are prime targets for sexualised misogynistic attacks and most of the attacks are not "clever" but crude and insulting depictions. Like the one discussed here.

The "it was just a joke" defence to sexist harassment wore thin 50 years ago, and no-one of any sensibility thinks images like this are harmless fun except the perps and their admirers.

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One twitter user observed an unstated obvious point not yet (?) addressed in this thread:

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Hey, Doug Sparrow, when are you going to produce a sticker of David Attenborough being raped, you sick f..k? #XSiteEnergy"



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03 Mar 2020, 10:21 pm

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Disgusting yes. But at 17 she is one year above the age of consent in Canada and two years above it in Sweden.

So what. Sexually objectifying a woman out of political spite is vicious repugnant behavior. Fits perfectly with the troglodyte reactionary mindset though.



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03 Mar 2020, 10:32 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Disgusting,she is a child.


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Disgusting yes. But at 17 she is one year above the age of consent in Canada and two years above it in Sweden.


It's clear to me that Ezra was replying to Misslizard and just correcting the statement about her being a child.

He was saying "Disgusting yes", and then a second statement replying to Misslizard "but she is not a child" (just to clarify the fact of her age).

He wasn't saying "Disgusting yes, but it's OK because she is old enough to consent".

He was saying that it is disgusting. Full Stop. Then he added that she is technically and legally an adult, in response to Misslizard. He did not say or imply that Greta's status as a young adult makes it OK, or that consent would make it acceptable to objectify any human being of any age in that manner.


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04 Mar 2020, 12:43 am

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EzraS wrote:
Disgusting yes. But at 17 she is one year above the age of consent in Canada and two years above it in Sweden.

So what. Sexually objectifying a woman out of political spite is vicious repugnant behavior. Fits perfectly with the troglodyte reactionary mindset though.


Don't be so supercilious. I said that in regard as to whether or not it could be viewed as child porn from a legal standpoint. I am a pragmatic analytical autistic. I am sorry that I am not emotionally affected by this.



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04 Mar 2020, 12:58 am

I very seriously doubt that X-Site Energy Services Ltd. produced that image as would obviously be a public relations disaster. Yes I am saying I think it is likely that X-Site Energy was framed.



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04 Mar 2020, 1:49 am

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I very seriously doubt that X-Site Energy Services Ltd. produced that image as would obviously be a public relations disaster. Yes I am saying I think it is likely that X-Site Energy was framed.

This seems to indicate that the company was involved with the decals.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton ... -1.5482369