Sweden the only country with Correct Approach to CVD-19

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I wasn’t defending trump, just calling out how stupid anti Chinese sentiment is when the virus mostly entered the USA via Europeans, not Chinese. I don’t like the anti Chinese racial hate crimes going on here in Canada and the USA over this. It’s totally fine not to like the Chinese governments’ handling of coronavirus, but it’s completely unacceptable to lash out against Asian Canadians or Asian Americans with insults or violence.

Kids can still suffer permanent organ damage or be killed. And even though the death rate is lower for children, they can still spread it to people it’s more likely to kill. We should still try to prevent children from getting it vs let it just run rampant like colds and things tend to amongst kids.

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No for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.

We all know the communist regime's attempt to hide COVID-19 and their attempts to intimidate countries that are actually trying to conduct legitimate investigation to find the source of the virus.

What is perhaps less known is that millions of Chinese citizens from OECD countries who went back to China for Chinese new year celebrations knowing there was a risk of infection and then tried en masse to slip back into the US and Australia and other OECD countries carrying the virus. I know the majority of those infected earliest were from China and then of course second was the tourists on cruise ships/aeroplanes.

Well I am finally vindicated

Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology in the Department of Zoology at the University of Oxford, told The Australian newspaper that Australia should copy Sweden’s herd immunity strategy because our “selfish” lockdown approach is not working.

She said if we let the virus — which 80 to 90 per cent of the population will only get asymptomatically — spread naturally, with strong protections for those most vulnerable, it would protect all Australians from future viral threats and save our economy.

“There is no way lockdown can eliminate the virus … and so it’s not at all surprising once you lift lockdown in areas it will flare up again,” she said.

“That is what we are seeing in the southern United States, and in Australia. In places where it has already swept through, a proportion of people are immune and you are not seeing it come back.’’
By comparison, she said Sweden’s social-distancing approach has resulted in greater protections for the entire region because Scandinavia now had high levels of immunity.

I was beginning to think the world has gone mad??

I still don’t think almost anyone else is going to agree that this is the best option. Or they’d be doing it instead of trying to avoid getting the virus while treatments/vaccines are developed.

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No for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.

We know there’s no guarantee. But that doesn’t mean we should just give up hope and say f**k it and get sick w/ a chance of dying or having lifelong health issues with multiple organs. Most people are still going to agree that it’s way better to avoid getting it at all.

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No for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.

COVID is not chickenpox.

Sweden's prime minister orders an inquiry into the failure of the country's no-lockdown coronavirus strategy

^see, cyberdad, I told ya a better metric was people not dying.

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No for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.

I'm more interested in what a) South Korea and b) Greece did. South Korea because they contained the disease well despite been a very densely populated country and having very little warning; Greece because they achieved a very low death toll despite an under-funded health service and an extremely high number of people crossing the borders. Both countries are far closer to returning to normal than the UK or USA.

Both acted very promptly, which the UK and USA definitely did not. Which is a useful lesson, but only for next time. South Korea didn't actually have much of a "lockdown," beyond closing schools and other high-risk areas. Instead, they had an aggressive program of testing and contact-tracing in the general population, which was already up to 20,000 tests a day in early March- exactly the time when the UK government decided not to bother testing except in hospital intensive care units. The track-and trace program is working, full stop. They have now carried out around 1.25 million tests. Latest statistics I could find: 12,800 cases, 282 deaths.

Greece, meanwhile, took the disease seriously because they knew their healthcare infrastructure couldn't cope with a major outbreak. They closed down public events in February, long before their first death. They then closed down schools and restaurants, and started full lockdown on March 23. This is the same day as the UK, but here, schools were open and major public events still on right up until that date. By that point, there had been 15 deaths in Greece but more than 300 in the UK. 3486 cases, 192 deaths in Greece so far.

For comparison,
UK: 284276 cases, 44131 deaths.
657.7 deaths per one million population.
Sweden: 71419 cases, 5420 deaths
523.71 deaths per one million population.
USA: 2,903,991cases, 132,145 deaths
388.93 deaths per one million population.
Greece: 3486 cases, 192 deaths.
17.9 deaths per one million population.
South Korea: 12,800 cases, 282 deaths.
5.46 deaths per one million population.

Yes, the death toll in the UK is more than one hundred times as bad as in South Korea. Sweden is not much better.

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I am only vindicated in that I have an Oxford professor who agrees that Sweden's approach seems to have the best long term outcome, For countries that don't have herd immunity each time they ease restrictions they kill people and go back to lockdown. This is slowly strangling their economy.

All this lockdown pivots on a vaccine or effective treatment neither of which is yet on the horizon.