Trump passes law to allow firing squad/poison gas

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27 Nov 2020, 10:21 pm

If you want evidence what a despicable human being Trump is then read the following.
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-ame ... 268232a111
Having reinstated federal capital punishment the Trump administration is scrambling to expand the number of ways that the federal government can execute prisoners before the president leaves office in January.
The default method is lethal injection unless a judge specifically orders otherwise but under a rule scheduled to take effect next month, death by firing squad and by electrocution are among the extra methods that will be permitted.
The proposal brings federal executions into line with the varied means available to executioners in individual states, such as Alabama, where prisoners can elect to be killed by electrocution or nitrogen hypoxia (a lethal gas dose) instead of by deadly injection.

The urgency to pass this law almost defies logic. What the heck is lurking in this man's head that is the most important thing he can think off before leaving office??



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27 Nov 2020, 11:50 pm

He's an opportunist slash & burn casino magnate who realized hate & fear were easier to sell than anything else where his base was concerned.

It will be interesting to see his fanboys try to deflect this one.


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28 Nov 2020, 10:32 am

I see great potential for generating revenue, here. The government could televise these events on a pay for view channel. Let's also expand the execution methods to hanging, stoning, and beheadings.

Just like the old days in the West, this could solid entertainment for the whole family. It'll be better than Super Bowl parties! And it would make a serious dent in the national debt. A win-win all around!


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28 Nov 2020, 4:57 pm

Maybe he will want to test out old sparky himself, it may not work right after all those years.


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28 Nov 2020, 7:23 pm

Honestly lethal injection is possibly botched most of the time because they don't use medical professionals on the team. Medical professionals are not allowed to be involved in executions because it goes against their department of health. The inmate is so numbed, they cannot respond to pain even though they feel it. It has been shown that in studies of executions, lethal injection is mostly botched.

So the firing squad seems to be the most humane. Get a professional shooter and the bullet hits you in the heart and you are dead before you feel anything.

Lethal gas, that mostly goes wrong because the inmate holds their breath making it botched. So they start to gag and convulse and feel pain in their body from the gas and they feel like they are being choked to death.

There have even been inmates that chose electrocution because they were afraid of lethal injection because of highest cases of them being botched.

But overall I have been against capital punishment since I was 14.


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28 Nov 2020, 7:28 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Lethal gas, that mostly goes wrong because the inmate holds their breath making it botched. So they start to gag and convulse and feel pain in their body from the gas and they feel like they are being choked to death. .


That's what I thought, lethal gas was literally banned after WWI because of the suffering it created. The Nazis of course secretly used it to murder millions in their concentration camps. Why Trump thinks this is the most important thing to bring back before he gets booted out is bizarre and psychopathic. Now the mere mention of his name or his evil children is an anathema to decent human beings.



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28 Nov 2020, 7:53 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
Let's also expand the execution methods to hanging, stoning, and beheadings.
Good God.



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28 Nov 2020, 8:01 pm

StayFrosty wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Let's also expand the execution methods to hanging, stoning, and beheadings.
Good God.


I think veggieman is being facetious



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Yesterday, 12:32 am

cyberdad wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Lethal gas, that mostly goes wrong because the inmate holds their breath making it botched. So they start to gag and convulse and feel pain in their body from the gas and they feel like they are being choked to death. .


That's what I thought, lethal gas was literally banned after WWI because of the suffering it created. The Nazis of course secretly used it to murder millions in their concentration camps. Why Trump thinks this is the most important thing to bring back before he gets booted out is bizarre and psychopathic. Now the mere mention of his name or his evil children is an anathema to decent human beings.



Lethal gas was used to kill inmates since the 1920's capital punishment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gee_Jon

And the US continued to use it after WWII. It was last used in 1999 in Arizona. Only 11 inmates have died in it since 1976.

Edit: I read WWI as WWII. Stupid brain.


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Yesterday, 1:06 am

Again the point here is what type of person wants to leave a legacy of their time as POTUS by thinking up new ways for prisoners on death row to die? frankly it's sick.



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Yesterday, 3:29 am

cyberdad wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Lethal gas, that mostly goes wrong because the inmate holds their breath making it botched. So they start to gag and convulse and feel pain in their body from the gas and they feel like they are being choked to death. .


That's what I thought, lethal gas was literally banned after WWI because of the suffering it created. The Nazis of course .




It was banned for use in warfare.

Nothing to do with it's use in capital punishment.

Two totally different legal spheres. What countries do to each other on the battle field is one set of laws (international laws) that govern the rules of warfare.

What countries do to single individual citizens of their own countries who have been convicted of capital crimes is another sphere (each nations own laws).

And on a practical level they are two very different things with different moral issues as well.

Spreading poison gas in the open air on a battlefield on the western front causes mass death of soldiers beyond that caused by conventional weapons - it is like using nukes (unfair). And we havent used nukes in any of the countless wars we have had since that one use at Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. Also the use of poison gas on the battlefield is hard to control and can have all kinds of collatoral damage. You could accidently kill thousands of civilians, and also accidently kill your own troops if the wind shifts.

But executing one person (in a sealed chamber) doesnt threaten the lives of thousands of others. And if your gonna kill someone who has already been convicted of capital crime, like murder, then poison gas-in theory- might well be a humane alternative to the chair or lethal injection if its done right. Though whether in practice its humane is open question.

My Grandad was an infantryman in the US Army in WWI, and was a victim of poison gas. And the US signed the treaties that banned the use of poison gas after WWI. But as League Girl said, that didnt stop the USA from using poison gas to execute prisoners all of the up until the eve of the 21st Century.



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Yesterday, 3:48 am

cyberdad wrote:
Again the point here is what type of person wants to leave a legacy of their time as POTUS by thinking up new ways for prisoners on death row to die? frankly it's sick.



Dont know if Trump has any consistent political beliefs, but he has at least one consistant trait: un urge to punish.

Forty years ago he published that editorial demanding the execution of the Central Park Five (who were later exonerated).And thats why I opposed Trump from the get go. I never even cared to know what his policies were because it doesnt matter. If he agrees with you on every issue- but if he has an urge to punish- you dont give him power.



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Yesterday, 7:37 am

It's depressing to see how some people ignore the initial post (or actual details) in a thread to conjure up their own fantasy...

cyberdad wrote:
Again the point here is what type of person wants to leave a legacy of their time as POTUS by thinking up new ways


Given the initial post indicated:
cyberdad wrote:
The proposal brings federal executions into line with the varied means available to executioners in individual states, such as Alabama, where prisoners can elect to be killed by electrocution or nitrogen hypoxia (a lethal gas dose) instead of by deadly injection.


It's hard to work out where the "thinking up new ways" fantasy came from, given (as the OP noted) this was just aligning federal and state rules, with nothing "new" being introduced (or "thought up" as it was termed here).

In a way, it could be considered "fairer" in some contexts, where an inmate on death row for Federal crimes previously had less "choice"\options than one in the same state on death row for state crimes. Of course, equally "fair" would have been for the states to have pre-emptively reduced the "options" to match federal rules...


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