Trial of Derek Chauvin, who Killed George Floyd

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20 Apr 2021, 9:47 pm

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Oh okay, I guess I just feel that the testify of the pathologists was suspect, but you cleared it up more :).


I've been in a trial that involved an expert witness. They're usually quick to admit the shortcomings of their insights but both sides in the case tend to draw bigger conclusions than the expert is willing to agree to.

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In my case the expert could conclude I had certain metabolites in my body but not whether or not those were proof of intoxication at the time I was detained. Defence used that and other factors as proof that I wasn't, Crown tried to insist that it was proof that I was despite no other supporting evidence. Expert was really blunt that she offered zero insight into whether or not I was intoxicated.


In this case pretty much every expert involved including the original one who's initial findings were used to sow misinformation has been consistent in stating they believe the death was homicide.

Experts concluding it was homicide isn't the same as them saying it was murder. Prior to the trial I made a big deal about this because I was making the case he was guilty but that wasn't an objective take that was a biased take to push an argument.

The experts only conclude if it was homicide or not, they don't say anything about whether or not it was criminal.

If the homicide was justified Chauvin would have walked but that case was made and rejected so they also tried to sow doubt over the cause. That's their job as defence attorneys but it doesn't mean they're raising a valid concern, they're just grasping at the best explanation to spare their client which is what they've been paid to do.


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20 Apr 2021, 10:11 pm

Oh okay, my condolences on that happening to you.

As for this case, the pathologists of course are not part of the defense, so their findings raise concern and doubt for me, before it hits the defense, in the matter of chronology. But I see what you mean, not all science is accurate.



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20 Apr 2021, 10:26 pm

Interesting that he doesn't seem to react all that much.. as if he already Knew this was the likely outcome.. because he knew he was guilty as sin.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/04/2 ... yds-death/



Also, I find it interesting that those who were defending him a few pages ago in this thread have gone to complete radio silence. I guess they're just shocked that a cop got convicted of his crimes for once. And maybe even a little embarrassed that they argued there was reasonable doubt.


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20 Apr 2021, 10:33 pm

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Also, I find it interesting that those who were defending him a few pages ago in this thread have gone to complete radio silence. I guess they're just shocked that a cop got convicted of his crimes for once. And maybe even a little embarrassed that they argued there was reasonable doubt.


I wouldn't rule out that the main motive was to play devil's advocate and now that it's settled there's no point in making hypothetical defences.


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21 Apr 2021, 12:54 am

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Interesting that he doesn't seem to react all that much.. as if he already Knew this was the likely outcome.. [i]because he knew he was guilty as sin.

It was stated on tv, both parties were informed of the verdict before judge Cahill read it.

So, he already knew the verdict.


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21 Apr 2021, 1:05 am

Oh is this common in trials? In OJ Simpson's case for example, when the verdict was read, he seemed genuinly surprised, like he didn't know it was going to be that, unless not all defendants are informed in all cases?



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21 Apr 2021, 2:05 am

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Chauvin faces a maximum sentence of 40 years.

However, guidelines for someone like Chauvin suggest 12 years.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/20/heres-how ... vin-faces/

"In Minnesota, defendants typically serve two-thirds of their penalty in prison, with the rest on parole"
https://www.wivb.com/news/derek-chauvin ... jail-time/

So, Chauvin is likely to serve 8 years.

Prosecutors will likely ask for more time, and the defense will ask for less.


8 years will be enough time for one of the inmates to give him a taste of his own medicine.



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21 Apr 2021, 2:30 am

why do so many people here and elsewhere, so enthusiastically defend the devil? don't they know he is well-equipped to defend himself without any human assistance?



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21 Apr 2021, 2:33 am

i suspect the KKKohort in prison will circle the wagons around him and protect/venerate him. his time in prison will likely be short and uneventful. IOW no real punishment for him. a REAL open can o'whupazz on his miserable tuchas would be to empty his financial accounts/delete his pension in addition to serving for the rest of his natural life in SUPERMAX.



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21 Apr 2021, 3:34 am

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why do so many people here and elsewhere, so enthusiastically defend the devil? don't they know he is well-equipped to defend himself without any human assistance?


You'll notice his defenders have vanished like a puddle on a hot day.



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21 Apr 2021, 3:35 am

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auntblabby wrote:
why do so many people here and elsewhere, so enthusiastically defend the devil? don't they know he is well-equipped to defend himself without any human assistance?


You'll notice his defenders have vanished like a puddle on a hot day.

a better analogy is that they have shrunk away like fat cells in a dieter, only to miraculously pop back up when the diet ends.



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21 Apr 2021, 3:38 am

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i suspect the KKKohort in prison will circle the wagons around him and protect/venerate him. .


The white prison gangs like the Aryan brotherhood virtually run maximum security prisons in the US so (yes) they will form a protective circle around him as he's their hero.



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21 Apr 2021, 3:40 am

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auntblabby wrote:
i suspect the KKKohort in prison will circle the wagons around him and protect/venerate him. .


The white prison gangs like the Aryan brotherhood virtually run maximum security prisons in the US so (yes) they will form a protective circle around him as he's their hero.

so far the so-called Supermax prisons are exceptions to this rule. that is where they keep people like ted Kaczynski ["the unabomer"].



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21 Apr 2021, 3:44 am

Nothings free in prison. He's going to have to bend over and get some aryan sausage,



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21 Apr 2021, 4:32 am

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Nothings free in prison. He's going to have to bend over and get some aryan sausage,

that is one reason he may want to be in supermax.



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21 Apr 2021, 7:56 am

Hmm...yeah this whole thing still doesnt sit right with me. But I'm still confused as to what a fair verdict would have been in my own opinion.

It looked to me like he died from a combination between the speedball overdose and a heart attack, brought on by the drugs, panic, and his atherosclerosis and enlarged heart. The latter two were probably things he hadn't been taking seriously because he was poor and addicted to opiods. Also, I don't know how many people knew this, but he did at least one porn. I saw the stills and it was definitely him. That is not something people usually do for fun. Especially religious people. It seemed to me like he was a desperate man, taken advantage of because of his good nature and misfortune. I felt real sorry for him.

But I'm not sure what role officers are supposed to play in drug induced feak outs. If they had tased him that also probably would have killed him. If no one is going to step up and say hey he needs narcan or hey he has a bad heart what can they do? And even so, don't criminals lie? All of these standard procedures will just have be reworked. The rules we have been working with evidently allow way too much leeway for people to get hurt.