19 Jul 2021, 6:20 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Looks like the rodents are celebrating this "act of god"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 83993.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 83993.html
The specific choice of wording to describe those being discussed in the article is certainly unfortunate:
Quote:
During the Holocaust, Nazis referred to Jews as rats. Hutus involved in the Rwanda genocide called Tutsis cockroaches. Slave owners throughout history considered slaves subhuman animals. In Less Than Human, David Livingstone Smith argues that it's important to define and describe dehumanization, because it's what opens the door for cruelty and genocide.
Source: 'Less Than Human': The Psychology Of Cruelty
Damn, some on the left have misappropriated a number of Nazi strategies, including misrepresentation, gaslighting, and dehumanisation practices.
Nobody on the left is dehumanizing Don Trump Jr. by calling him a rat. He's the one who suggested the Almighty doesn't approve of a mural dedicated to a man murdered by one who was supposed to protect him. That's pretty dehumanizing of George Floyd by Donny boy and friends.
Assuming you have represented the situation correctly, it doesn't sound like "dehumanisation".
I think you have confused "dehumanisation" with "stupidity".
We all know the ideology behind Donny boy's statement. It's both dehumanizing and stupid.
I did a quick Google.
I have the impression D Trump was being hyperpartisan, rather than engaging in literal dehumanisation practices.
Both sides of the political divide do this.
I guess it is the case of: "What is good for the goose is good for the gander."
What else is new?
Are you misrepresenting the situation?
Be careful.
Your credibility rating may be downgraded if you are.
Hyperpartisanism is usually associated with ideology, which in this case is far right wing.
Is there confusion?
Let me repeat:
Elements on both sides of the political divide, engaging in hyperpartisanship.
"Misrepresentation" is also a big tool in the political bag bag of tricks.
Do you understand the concept of "Double Standards"?
"Goose/Gander".
Politics.
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19 Jul 2021, 6:22 pm
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Somehow everything is connected to Trump.
No, in this case it's connected to his son, I mean, DJTJ is his fault, but DJTJ's also a grown man who can be held responsible for his own terrible statements.
Who is responsible for the: All Caucasians have collective white guilt", statement?
What exactly is the problem with that statement? Are you suggesting some white people are indifferent to the tragedies that colonialism inflicted?
People who are aware of that and internalize the concept that those actions were 'their team' tend to have a sense of collective guilt, this guilt because it's tied to a white identity is referred to as white guilt.
lol.
*I* have no "team".
I have been a pariah.
I have been gang-stalked by *Caucasians* all my life because I was ritually abused.
I feel no guilt for what happened to the Jewish community in the Holocaust.
I wasn't even born then.
I feel sorry, but not guilt.
And I had nothing to do with what happened to indigenous people, in history.
The concept is childish and a logical nonsense.
Next, you will be saying I should accept "original sin" for what Adam and Eve did.
Utter stupidity.
I don't do "stupid" well.
You might personally not be familiar with the feeling, that doesn't mean the term isn't useful or that the concept doesn't exist.
19 Jul 2021, 6:39 pm
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20 Jul 2021, 12:12 am
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Hyperpartisanism is usually associated with ideology, which in this case is far right wing.
Carefully Kraichie. Apparently I've been warned that left wingers are not permitted to use this word.
20 Jul 2021, 7:17 am
20 Jul 2021, 9:10 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Hyperpartisanism is usually associated with ideology, which in this case is far right wing.
Carefully Kraichie. Apparently I've been warned that left wingers are not permitted to use this word.
Are you laughing because the Truth was once again misrepresented/bastardised?
20 Jul 2021, 9:13 am
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Somehow everything is connected to Trump.
No, in this case it's connected to his son, I mean, DJTJ is his fault, but DJTJ's also a grown man who can be held responsible for his own terrible statements.
Who is responsible for the: All Caucasians have collective white guilt", statement?
What exactly is the problem with that statement? Are you suggesting some white people are indifferent to the tragedies that colonialism inflicted?
People who are aware of that and internalize the concept that those actions were 'their team' tend to have a sense of collective guilt, this guilt because it's tied to a white identity is referred to as white guilt.
lol.
*I* have no "team".
I have been a pariah.
I have been gang-stalked by *Caucasians* all my life because I was ritually abused.
I feel no guilt for what happened to the Jewish community in the Holocaust.
I wasn't even born then.
I feel sorry, but not guilt.
And I had nothing to do with what happened to indigenous people, in history.
The concept is childish and a logical nonsense.
Next, you will be saying I should accept "original sin" for what Adam and Eve did.
Utter stupidity.
I don't do "stupid" well.
You might personally not be familiar with the feeling, that doesn't mean the term isn't useful or that the concept doesn't exist.
This makes absolutely no sense to me.
Maybe I do do stupid well, after all.
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20 Jul 2021, 11:26 am
Pepe wrote:
This makes absolutely no sense to me.
Maybe I do do stupid well, after all.
Maybe I do do stupid well, after all.
One can recognize that a mindset isn't logical and still observe that the mindset exists. Believing that white guilt isn't rational doesn't mean it's not something that exists in the real world.
Your logic earlier explains why you don't personally feel it but it doesn't neutralize the idea or disprove it's existence or make the concept no longer valid. It's like how an atheist explaining why they don't believe in gods doesn't make religion go away.
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20 Jul 2021, 4:21 pm
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20 Jul 2021, 4:22 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Hyperpartisanism is usually associated with ideology, which in this case is far right wing.
Carefully Kraichie. Apparently I've been warned that left wingers are not permitted to use this word.
Are you laughing because the Truth was once again misrepresented/bastardised?
No, just having a laugh with Cyberdad.
21 Jul 2021, 7:03 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
This makes absolutely no sense to me.
Maybe I do do stupid well, after all.
Maybe I do do stupid well, after all.
One can recognize that a mindset isn't logical and still observe that the mindset exists. Believing that white guilt isn't rational doesn't mean it's not something that exists in the real world.
Your logic earlier explains why you don't personally feel it but it doesn't neutralize the idea or disprove it's existence or make the concept no longer valid. It's like how an atheist explaining why they don't believe in gods doesn't make religion go away.
If the concept is irrational/illogical, it is invalid in the context of a logical argument.
Foolishness does indeed exist, but it is still stupidity.
I suggest you don't embrace the nonsense.
21 Jul 2021, 7:12 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Hyperpartisanism is usually associated with ideology, which in this case is far right wing.
Carefully Kraichie. Apparently I've been warned that left wingers are not permitted to use this word.
Are you laughing because the Truth was once again misrepresented/bastardised?
No, just having a laugh with at Cyberdad.
Fixed it.
Suggest you try and not get personal and childish at me as I am being polite with you.
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21 Jul 2021, 7:38 pm
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
This makes absolutely no sense to me.
Maybe I do do stupid well, after all.
Maybe I do do stupid well, after all.
One can recognize that a mindset isn't logical and still observe that the mindset exists. Believing that white guilt isn't rational doesn't mean it's not something that exists in the real world.
Your logic earlier explains why you don't personally feel it but it doesn't neutralize the idea or disprove it's existence or make the concept no longer valid. It's like how an atheist explaining why they don't believe in gods doesn't make religion go away.
If the concept is irrational/illogical, it is invalid in the context of a logical argument.
Foolishness does indeed exist, but it is still stupidity.
I suggest you don't embrace the nonsense.
It's not a matter of embracing it or not embracing it, it's a matter of whether or not it's sociologically relevant.
Dismissing it with well that's stupid and I don't get how anyone could see things that way makes it strongly appear that you don't understand the topic well enough to make worthwhile contributions to a discussion on it and that you don't wish to understand it beyond your own personal feelings about the term.
Lots of opinions and mindsets I consider foolish still inform enough of the population to be relevant, I don't get to pretend those opinions and mindsets don't exist because I think they're stupid.
Person A: Let's discuss how a mindset impacts a society.
Person B: I've observed it having these impacts.
Person C: I've observed it being this common.
Person D: DERP YOU GUYS ARE STUPID BECAUSE ANYONE WHO TAKES THIS SERIOUS IS STUPID.
Person D has nothing worthwhile to contribute to the discussion.
21 Jul 2021, 7:42 pm
21 Jul 2021, 8:49 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
This makes absolutely no sense to me.
Maybe I do do stupid well, after all.
Maybe I do do stupid well, after all.
One can recognize that a mindset isn't logical and still observe that the mindset exists. Believing that white guilt isn't rational doesn't mean it's not something that exists in the real world.
Your logic earlier explains why you don't personally feel it but it doesn't neutralize the idea or disprove it's existence or make the concept no longer valid. It's like how an atheist explaining why they don't believe in gods doesn't make religion go away.
If the concept is irrational/illogical, it is invalid in the context of a logical argument.
Foolishness does indeed exist, but it is still stupidity.
I suggest you don't embrace the nonsense.
It's not a matter of embracing it or not embracing it, it's a matter of whether or not it's sociologically relevant.
Dismissing it with well that's stupid and I don't get how anyone could see things that way makes it strongly appear that you don't understand the topic well enough to make worthwhile contributions to a discussion on it and that you don't wish to understand it beyond your own personal feelings about the term.
Lots of opinions and mindsets I consider foolish still inform enough of the population to be relevant, I don't get to pretend those opinions and mindsets don't exist because I think they're stupid.
Person A: Let's discuss how a mindset impacts a society.
Person B: I've observed it having these impacts.
Person C: I've observed it being this common.
Person D: DERP YOU GUYS ARE STUPID BECAUSE ANYONE WHO TAKES THIS SERIOUS IS STUPID.
Person D has nothing worthwhile to contribute to the discussion.
Bottom line?
Stupidity is still stupidity.
I have noticed, on websites in general, that many people have little understanding of the concepts of credibility and integrity.
To some, it is all point-scoring and never admitting they made a mistake.
Often, in a political context, it is a simple-minded approach to simply service a narrative created by someone else.
The problem for people like that, is every time they bastardise the Truth, obfuscate, gaslight, engage in hyperpartisanship/tunnel-vision, they lose both credibility and integrity.
If this happens time and time again, people have a right to dismiss what is being said as nonsense because that person has a history of espousing ill-considered and logically invalid opinions.
It is the nature of the human beast to use heuristics in this complicated life system, to reduce the mental energy required in everyday life.
When it becomes clear that someone seems incapable of presenting a logical, considered argument, it is only natural for a heuristic to be applied.
This is why credibility is important.
If one has none, one is considered a fool, and any argument that may have some validity is perfunctorily dismissed.
This is the simple consequence of people who chose not to engage in due diligence, time and time again.
Simples.
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21 Jul 2021, 10:01 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Hyperpartisanism is usually associated with ideology, which in this case is far right wing.
Carefully Kraichie. Apparently I've been warned that left wingers are not permitted to use this word.
Are you laughing because the Truth was once again misrepresented/bastardised?
No, just having a laugh with at Cyberdad.
Fixed it.
No.
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