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30 Sep 2021, 5:42 pm

I can understand distrust of government, but no one government is the only place the SAME information is coming from. Scientists and epidemiologists are in strong conformity about COVID-19 (they never are in perfect conformity on anything) and the safety / efficacy of vaccines available in the US. I have family members in direct contact with scientists on the front lines of all this. I KNOW what is real, what is advised.

At this point in time, I accept we won't change people's minds, but I also know they are wrong. We're at the point of protecting ourselves and others from them, while leaving them to whatever fate they are choosing. These aren't bad people; they aren't dumb people; I know several of them personally. Our moves need to be protective but also wrapped in compassion.

Interesting enough, the healthcare professionals balking at the vaccines aren't usually the doctors: it's the nurses. It would seem that being deeper into the science, physiology and diagnosis process changes a person's understanding of the relative risk.


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30 Sep 2021, 6:10 pm

They will find me?

Yeah ok, bring it.



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01 Oct 2021, 1:53 am

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Putting children in masks all day is a serious medical concern.

Protestor: "Children should have the right to breath oxygen".


Medical professionals wear masks all day, and they have no health complications resulting from it. It's not like anyone's making kids wear an iron box on their heads!


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01 Oct 2021, 1:54 am

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Why would a nurse NOT take the vaccine? That doesn't make sense.

My Body My Choice.


So you're pro-choice in regard to abortion?


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01 Oct 2021, 1:57 am

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When people got sick/died from letting the government inject them with experimental anthrax vaccinations, did anyone think, "what were these idiots thinking?"

What about people who die every year from flu vaccinations?

What about people who died from COVID vaccinations?

What about Tuskegee "good blood" shots?

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What about the people who died who didn't get the Covid vaccine?


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01 Oct 2021, 2:01 am

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How about this crazy new governor of NY? She is firing nurses and replacing them with the National Guard and then says the vaccine is from God.


During a plague in the 16th century German city of Wittenberg, Martin Luther called doctors and medicine gifts from God. I don't understand your criticism.


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01 Oct 2021, 3:33 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Why would a nurse NOT take the vaccine? That doesn't make sense.

My Body My Choice.


So you're pro-choice in regard to abortion?

good luck getting an answer.



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01 Oct 2021, 8:46 am

auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Why would a nurse NOT take the vaccine? That doesn't make sense.

My Body My Choice.


So you're pro-choice in regard to abortion?

good luck getting an answer.


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01 Oct 2021, 8:50 am

auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Why would a nurse NOT take the vaccine? That doesn't make sense.
My Body My Choice.
So you're pro-choice in regard to abortion?
good luck getting an answer.
Some people seem to use "Post-And-Run" as their favourite form of trolling.


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01 Oct 2021, 9:27 am

Fnord wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Why would a nurse NOT take the vaccine? That doesn't make sense.
My Body My Choice.
So you're pro-choice in regard to abortion?
good luck getting an answer.
Some people seem to use "Post-And-Run" as their favourite form of trolling.


If ones ideas can't withstand scrutiny running away before they're criticized is a good way to never have to read why one might be wrong. :nerdy:


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01 Oct 2021, 9:49 am

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What about the people who died who didn't get the Covid vaccine?

The government cares about the big picture, not *individual outcomes*.

That's the danger.

That's why the government is OK with *acceptable losses*.

However, you as an individual should think, "what if I am the acceptable loss?".


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01 Oct 2021, 9:56 am

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The government cares about the big picture, not *individual outcomes*.

That's the danger.

That's why the government is OK with *acceptable losses*.

However, you as an individual should think, "what if I am the acceptable loss?".
No, we as individuals should think, "Where can I get the vaccine?" and ignore your political diversions.


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01 Oct 2021, 12:38 pm

Fnord wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
The government cares about the big picture, not *individual outcomes*.

That's the danger.

That's why the government is OK with *acceptable losses*.

However, you as an individual should think, "what if I am the acceptable loss?".
No, we as individuals should think, "Where can I get the vaccine?" and ignore your political diversions.

You're echoing the problem.

Rather than caution, rather than describing risk and side-effects, government agents on tv tells us ... "it's absolutely safe" and to jump head first into getting a Fauci ouchie.


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01 Oct 2021, 3:52 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
What about the people who died who didn't get the Covid vaccine?

The government cares about the big picture, not *individual outcomes*.

That's the danger.

That's why the government is OK with *acceptable losses*.

However, you as an individual should think, "what if I am the acceptable loss?".


The benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the risks. There is a greater risk not getting vaccinated. I've been vaccinated, and so has my wife and daughter. We're all three still here, and no worse for wear. Opposition to the vaccine has become political, with anti-vaxxers expecting reality to bend to their political ideology.


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01 Oct 2021, 4:17 pm

Yeah, saying something like "We know where you live" in a pro 2nd amendment rights state might not be the best idea and going to that place would be total idiocy.

As for those who say they want a choice, fine, have your choice. Businesses also have the choice to decide whether to let you in or even employ you. As long as it is enforced evenly, there is not much one can do.

What these people want is unfettered freedom, but only for themselves. We have become a society where it is all about me and not what is best for society. I have seen videos of people willing to destroy their cars or get into serious road rage because one driver did not want to let another driver into their lane. I say, just let them in and continue on with your day. These people don't care about others, only themselves.



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01 Oct 2021, 4:33 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
Fnord wrote:
No, we as individuals should think, "Where can I get the vaccine?" and ignore your political diversions.
You're echoing the problem.
No, I am addressing the solution; YOU are focused on the problem.
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Rather than caution, rather than describing risk and side-effects, government agents ...
The Hell with those "government agents"!  Medical experts know more about virology and vaccines than those Trump-empowered shills know about their own reflections.  If you do not want to be vaccinated, fine with me; but when the medical experts are shoving that endotracheal tube in your face so that you can spend the last few days of your life listening to your lungs bubble like a cheap aquarium, I want you to remember: (1) it was your choice; (2) you have only a few days left to live; and (3) I told you so.


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