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12 Oct 2021, 10:15 am

funeralxempire wrote:

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Not all QAnon supporters are the same, any more than all aspies or all NTs are the same. You met one Q, you met one Q.

So they're just like antifa? :chin:

Sort of, with one difference: QAnon doesn't loot businesses people spent their whole lives building or set police stations on fire with officers still inside.

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12 Oct 2021, 10:16 am

You can vote Republican, "reject the liberal narrative," "own the libs," etc. without adhering to anything having to do with QAnon.

The ideology of QAnon makes absolutely no sense. It's based on pure fiction. And they did damage the Capitol building "with people still inside."

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12 Oct 2021, 10:17 am

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The ideology of QAnon makes absolutely no sense. It's based on pure fiction. And they did damage the Capitol building "with people still inside."

But all the far-right blogs tell me those were just tourists on a sight-seeing trip. :lol:

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Aspie1 wrote:

Not all QAnon supporters are the same, any more than all aspies or all NTs are the same. You met one Q, you met one Q.

So they're just like antifa? :chin:

Sort of, with one difference: QAnon doesn't loot businesses people spent their whole lives building or set police stations on fire with officers still inside.

No, they just attempted to violently overthrow the government because their guy lost a legitimate election and his ego can't handle rejection.

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12 Oct 2021, 10:24 am

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... they just attempted to violently overthrow the government because their guy lost a legitimate election and his ego can't handle rejection.

The coup attempt failed only because the military establishment would not take Trump's side.

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12 Oct 2021, 10:29 am

The military establishment desires a credible United States.

Under Trump, we would have become a Banana Republic.

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12 Oct 2021, 10:44 am

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nationalists think they are patriots when they are anything but.

As I often find to be the case, comedy cuts right to the core of a difficult issue, and here's one of my favorite examples of a funny but thought-provoking take on this specific issue, as performed by my favorite funny dude, Doug Stanhope:

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12 Oct 2021, 11:00 am

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nationalists think they are patriots when they are anything but.

I've been waiting for a chance to retrieve this list from my archives. I love many of the ideals and principles that my country was founded upon; but I hate what the current tide of Nationalism is doing to it. Our country's problems aren't as much about Left vs. Right as they are about Patriotism vs. Nationalism. To wit:

Patriotism: A sense of personal identification with the country.
Nationalism: A sense of personal identification with the leadership.

Patriotism: Equal Justice under the Law.
Nationalism: Special Justice for those who are above the Law.

Patriotism: Equality, Liberty, and Justice for All.
Nationalism: Equality, Liberty, and Justice for the Privileged Few.

Patriotism: Fighting Fascism.
Nationalism: Practicing Fascism.

Patriotism: Freedom of Press, Speech, Religion, and Peaceful Assembly.
Nationalism: Propaganda, Censorship, Persecution, and Harassment.

Patriotism: Government by consent of the governed.
Nationalism: Government by force and decree of those who govern.

Patriotism: Hiring and promotion based solely on ability.
Nationalism: Hiring and promotion based on anything other than ability.

Patriotism: Love of country regardless of ethnicity, religion, or language.
Nationalism: Love of country requiring shared ethnicity, religion, and language.

Patriotism: Love for fellow citizens.
Nationalism: Hatred for non-citizens.

Patriotism: "My country, right or wrong."
Nationalism: "My country; love it or leave it."

Patriotism: Learning from our history and the history of others.
Nationalism: Teaching our version of history to others.

Patriotism: "My country can always do better."
Nationalism: "My country is already the best."

Patriotism: Pride in country for the good it does.
Nationalism: Pride in country no matter what it does.

Patriotism: Pride in who you are.
Nationalism: Pride in who you are not.

Patriotism: Securing government's loyalty to the citizens.
Nationalism: Securing citizens' loyalty to politicians and political institutions.

Patriotism: Special concern for the well-being of the citizenry.
Nationalism: Special concern for the well-being of the leadership.

Patriotism: Upholding the right of others to disagree with authority.
Nationalism: Equating disagreement with treachery, disloyalty, and moral decay.

Patriotism: Willingness to sacrifice oneself to promote the country's good.
Nationalism: Willingness to sacrifice others to promote one's own self-interest.

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12 Oct 2021, 4:00 pm

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funeralxempire wrote:

A lot of people seem to change their mind once they realize that's the choice they've made and it really won't own the libs, it'll just mean you needlessly suffer for awhile before not getting to enjoy your conspiracy friends and hookers.

It's a really dumb hill to pick to die on, you'd be better off to act like you're rebelling against the mean, nasty left psy-op trying to convince you not get vaccinated and then try to 'own the libs' by acting like you're on to the real plot, at least then you'd be at a much lower risk of long-term effects if you get sick.

Meh! I've been suicidal since I was 5, and had some sort of suicide plans since I was 8. So the notion of kicking the bucket from Biden-19 and making the news for it---as opposed to being just "some nutjob who offed himself"---felt kind of exciting. In fact, I specifically got the shot to "own the libs"---because now they have no leverage over me. Well, they still kind of do: my area treats vaxxed people and nonvaxxed people the same way. But at least now, I can virtue-signal about my vaccine to the liberal sheep as I shove my vax card in their ugly faces. Just like they've been virtue-signaling all of last year about staying home, while rooting for crowds of maskless looters ransacking our downtowns. If that's not hypocrites, then my name is Commie-la Harris!

The problem with "helping the vulnerable" is that the people who the Democrats consider to be "vulnerable" are usually anything but. So we end up spending tax money, taken from the incomes productive Americans work their butts off for, while they snicker and live it up with latest iPhones. All because "vulnerable" people vote Democrat.

For the last and final time, I'm PRO-VAX!! ! It's the actual liberal psy-ops I'm against: masks, lockdowns, and social distancing. My QAnon friends know I'm vaccinated, and they haven't kicked me out of the group. The escorts I have sex with love the fact that I'm vaccinated. And the few liberal friends I haven't kicked out of my life like it too.

The fact that you can afford escorts to have sex with tells me that you have little idea about who constitutes the vulnerable.
Yes, vulnerable people vote Democrat, because Republicans could care less about them.
It's opposition to that so called liberal "psy-ops" that's the primary reason why the damn virus is still alive and kicking.

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12 Oct 2021, 4:28 pm

Just to really put the needle in the Trumpsters......I would have liked Bernie Sanders to have been elected President.

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12 Oct 2021, 4:57 pm

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Just to really put the needle in the Trumpsters......I would have liked Bernie Sanders to have been elected President.

Seconded!

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12 Oct 2021, 5:01 pm

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Just to really put the needle in the Trumpsters......I would have liked Bernie Sanders to have been elected President.

I think the Democratic Party intentionally underestimates the potential of a Sanders candidacy because the establishment Dems work for the same people as the establishment Republicans.

They tend to prioritize social issues knowing they're more divisive and keep progressives and folks more to the left tied to the party out of the knowledge that the other thieving party supports the same or worse economic policies but is even worse towards marginalized people.

It's a wicked problem I can't offer a solution to.

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12 Oct 2021, 5:07 pm

Sanders had no chance, unfortunately. He was too "out there" for many people outside the major cities on both coasts.

It's rather like Mario Cuomo (before all his scandals) trying to run for President. He was perceived as being "too New York." Being a New Yorker was the "kiss of death" before (alas) Trump.

Ironically, the Senator from Vermont was originally a New Yorker.

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12 Oct 2021, 5:09 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

I know that's what they said.
I know that's what the mainstream media said.

That doesn't mean I believe them saying it ends the discussion.

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12 Oct 2021, 5:09 pm

Sanders did a heck of a lot better in the primaries than I expected, actually.

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12 Oct 2021, 5:34 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Sanders did a heck of a lot better in the primaries than I expected, actually.

There's that, but there's also the idea that it's easier to drive turn out when people are voting enthusiastically for your candidate, instead of just against the other party.

I don't think Biden had much enthusiasm, I think Trump drove tremendous anti-enthusiasm among people who opposed him. I'm sure there's demos where Biden had more enthusiasm than others but at the end of the day he won because 5 million Americans hated the Trump presidency enough to cast a ballot for his opponent.

Sanders is palatable to a lot of working class people who hate mainstream Democrats. I don't think anyone can say that about Mr. Mainstream Democrat.

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12 Oct 2021, 6:45 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

You can vote Republican, "reject the liberal narrative," "own the libs," etc. without adhering to anything having to do with QAnon.

Don't knock it till you try it. QAnon saved my life. I was so miserable from the lockdowns, that I wanted to end my life. QAnon brought back happiness into my life, by giving me human closeness for the first time in months---real closeness, not the leftist Zoom crap; I even French-kissed a woman at a Q party, all in the midst of the scamdemic. No single liberal gets to say that!

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I paid for that escort sex with my own earnings, not your tax money, so you have no right to shame me for it! And the "vulnerable people" are domestic terrorists who caused billions of dollars in damages with their looting and their arson, created CHAZ/CHOP in Seattle, and kicked out police officers from their own station. So my sympathy for them is nonexistent! That's why I voted for Trump, hoping he'd put those cowards in prison for life! And yes, I will continue fighting the liberal psy-ops, Biden-19 be damned.

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