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21 Oct 2021, 8:45 pm

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He's basically season 1 Apu, the character only exists to be part of a joke that not many people find funny anymore.


What is the objection to Apu? He's a hardworking immigrant who's nice to everyone and takes care of his family, the only real objections I've ever heard to him are that a white guy did his voice, and that some Indian people claimed they were teased with his catch phrase, not really much about what's wrong with him as a character.


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21 Oct 2021, 8:56 pm

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funeralxempire wrote:
He's basically season 1 Apu, the character only exists to be part of a joke that not many people find funny anymore.


What is the objection to Apu? He's a hardworking immigrant who's nice to everyone and takes care of his family, the only real objections I've ever heard to him are that a white guy did his voice, and that some Indian people claimed they were teased with his catch phrase, not really much about what's wrong with him as a character.


They developed him into a pretty solid character (unlike most of the other ethnic stereotype characters like Bumblebee Man, Willie, Üter, etc) but at first he was a pretty one-dimensional stereotype.

Notice I specified season 1, because the way the show developed the character helped with neutralizing potential complaints (ignoring if any were made back then). He didn't have a family yet, the hardworking trait wasn't as well established, being underhanded with customers and food-safety was a bigger part, etc.

Pepe hasn't been developed because Looney Tunes doesn't work like that so it would be harder to fix the problems with him.


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21 Oct 2021, 9:00 pm

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You're also old, I'm bordering on too old for media companies to care about my eyeballs so our opinions aren't the ones they're listening to. Ask younger people how they feel about Pepe Le Pew.


I doubt many think much of him at all, but I'd bet money that your view is actually the minority there, the irony of woke ideology is that it's actually incredibly unpopular but controls certain cultural levers, and thus is able to exercise influence outside of its numbers. Offensive humor is still incredibly popular, have you watched any animated shows aimed at young adults lately? I mean, they'd have to gender swap Pepe and wink heavily at the audience to make him fly these days, but I could totally see it.

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Also, if the left have a poor sense of humour why are there so few right-wing comedians outside of the niche of 'right wing comedy'? Left wing comedians tend to also be mainstream comedians and not have to rely on pandering to niche audiences like Steven Crowder or the guys Fox News hires to challenge late night shows.


IIRC, I think FOX currently has the highest rated late night show, not so much because Greg Gutfeld is a comedic genius, but because all the rad-lib shows on the other networks deal in clappter rather than actual laughs these days, even Bill Mahr mocks these guys. Also, the online comedy is coming more from the right these days, or at least is anti-left (anti woke to be specific), as the Christian right fades away as the ridiculous cultural force to be mocked and the woke left charges in to fill the void. Dave Chappelle is on week 3 of wall to wall media coverage for daring to make fun of you guys, and it's all the elites trying to cancel him and the general public refusing to let them, that should tell you something.


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21 Oct 2021, 9:05 pm

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They developed him into a pretty solid character (unlike most of the other ethnic stereotype characters like Bumblebee Man, Willie, Üter, etc) but at first he was a pretty one-dimensional stereotype.

Notice I specified season 1, because the way the show developed the character helped with neutralizing potential complaints (ignoring if any were made back then). He didn't have a family yet, the hardworking trait wasn't as well established, being underhanded with customers and food-safety was a bigger part, etc.

Pepe hasn't been developed because Looney Tunes doesn't work like that so it would be harder to fix the problems with him.


I think you may be inadvertently proving the point about leftists and humor; The Simpson's was and is a comedy, the goal was not to provide accurate portrayals of every possible identity group but rather to be funny, that it was and still presented Apu as a decent character was completely ancillary to that primary goal.


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21 Oct 2021, 9:16 pm

Dox47 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
You're also old, I'm bordering on too old for media companies to care about my eyeballs so our opinions aren't the ones they're listening to. Ask younger people how they feel about Pepe Le Pew.


I doubt many think much of him at all, but I'd bet money that your view is actually the minority there, the irony of woke ideology is that it's actually incredibly unpopular but controls certain cultural levers, and thus is able to exercise influence outside of its numbers. Offensive humor is still incredibly popular, have you watched any animated shows aimed at young adults lately? I mean, they'd have to gender swap Pepe and wink heavily at the audience to make him fly these days, but I could totally see it.

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Also, if the left have a poor sense of humour why are there so few right-wing comedians outside of the niche of 'right wing comedy'? Left wing comedians tend to also be mainstream comedians and not have to rely on pandering to niche audiences like Steven Crowder or the guys Fox News hires to challenge late night shows.


IIRC, I think FOX currently has the highest rated late night show, not so much because Greg Gutfeld is a comedic genius, but because all the rad-lib shows on the other networks deal in clappter rather than actual laughs these days, even Bill Mahr mocks these guys. Also, the online comedy is coming more from the right these days, or at least is anti-left (anti woke to be specific), as the Christian right fades away as the ridiculous cultural force to be mocked and the woke left charges in to fill the void. Dave Chappelle is on week 3 of wall to wall media coverage for daring to make fun of you guys, and it's all the elites trying to cancel him and the general public refusing to let them, that should tell you something.


Dave Chappelle isn't exactly right-wing though even if this time around he's getting a reaction out of left leaning people.

There's lots of right-wing comedy that's popular in right wing bubbles, but it's irrelevant outside of them just like Cody Johnston and Chris James are pretty much irrelevant outside of their bubble. I picked Crowder because he's a relatively big example despite being terribly not funny.


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21 Oct 2021, 9:28 pm

"Farcebook" was already taken...


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21 Oct 2021, 9:44 pm

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"Farcebook" was already taken...

There's always "Friendface":



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21 Oct 2021, 9:58 pm

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Dave Chappelle isn't exactly right-wing though even if this time around he's getting a reaction out of left leaning people.


No, but he's demonstrating the market for comedy that punches left, as well as the left wing intolerance for such comedy. I'm sure you've seen the Rotten Tomatoes critics vs audience scores for his recent specials, plus Netflix has had some leaks recently about his material being their most popular and enduring content, showing a clear demand for his brand of humor, as well as the elite disdain for it.

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There's lots of right-wing comedy that's popular in right wing bubbles, but it's irrelevant outside of them just like Cody Johnston and Chris James are pretty much irrelevant outside of their bubble. I picked Crowder because he's a relatively big example despite being terribly not funny.


You're confusing controlling the market for a thing with whether or not that thing exists; if a talented right wing comedian existed, what makes you think you'd have heard of him or his material? I mean, there are bubbles here, but not just the ones you're pointing out. News is in a similar place, outlets like CNN have all the prestige and the clout, but Rogan reaches a much larger audience, and many of the reporters who have moved to independent platforms such as Substack make exponentially more money and enjoy greater reach than they did when they were with establishment media, but are no longer imbued with the imprimatur of their former perches and don't have the instant credibility with certain audiences that went with it.

Look, 10 or 15 years I'd have agreed with you about conservative comedy, it sucked and it tried too hard to make a point first and be funny second (sound familiar?), but now, that's starting to change, and it's the lefty comics who are chasing the clappter rather than the laughs, and the counter culture is now on the right, it's just a matter of time till it breaks through into the mainstream.


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22 Oct 2021, 12:06 am

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Dave Chappelle isn't exactly right-wing though even if this time around he's getting a reaction out of left leaning people.


Dave does his own thing,



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22 Oct 2021, 1:43 am

funeralxempire wrote:


funeralxempire wrote:
Also, if the left have a poor sense of humour why are there so few right-wing comedians outside of the niche of 'right wing comedy'? Left wing comedians tend to also be mainstream comedians and not have to rely on pandering to niche audiences like Steven Crowder or the guys Fox News hires to challenge late night shows.


How about this:
Those on the political left, on this website, have a poor sense of humour if the humour is not in sympathy with their political point of view. :mrgreen:



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22 Oct 2021, 1:46 am

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Nice "bubble" arse, btw. :heart: :mrgreen:

You better lay off that viagra.


Oh, oh!
That reminds me!
Now that the NSW lockdown is over, I need to get a prescription for Cialis!

Thanks for that. :thumright: :mrgreen:

Boy, it's been a long time between "drinks". <sigh> :?



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22 Oct 2021, 2:07 am

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"Farcebook" was already taken...


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22 Oct 2021, 2:38 am

Sorry, I know I'm commenting on old stuff and the conversation has already shifted ...

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Who cares?
He and his followers now have their own separate sandbox to play in and none of this enemies will have to see any of his mean tweets. Everyone wins.


Everyone loses when misinformation spreads and is accepted as truth by a decent segment of the population. The man continues to hold sway over a lot of people. We'd be fools not to care.


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22 Oct 2021, 2:47 am

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... I doubt there would be any issue with posts against him (as a site-wide policy) ...


Didn't Fnord find the exact opposite in the TOS? That negative comments about the site or it's owner are expressly prohibited? Or did I miss-understand Fnord's post?


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22 Oct 2021, 2:47 am

Oh great. Here we were enjoying the peace and quiet, but this idiot just can't shut up. At least no one has to listen to his drivel. In fact, the preacher is just inviting the choir to come listen to him. :roll: Trumpism is beyond odd. I can confidently say that no matter how much I respect a leader, I wouldn't sign up for a service (free or not), just so I could listen to them.



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22 Oct 2021, 3:47 am

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Oh great. Here we were enjoying the peace and quiet, but this idiot just can't shut up. At least no one has to listen to his drivel. In fact, the preacher is just inviting the choir to come listen to him. :roll: Trumpism is beyond odd. I can confidently say that no matter how much I respect a leader, I wouldn't sign up for a service (free or not), just so I could listen to them.


:thumleft: Wait a minute... which one?


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