Kyle Rittenhouse trial

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That's been the case throughout this whole thing, even the initial charging documents read more like a clearing statement, I'm starting to seriously wonder if they're throwing this case, or just going through the motions so no one can later say they didn't, it's downright weird.

This is a long thread and I don't know if anybody has mentioned that Joseph Rosenbaum was once convicted of a sex offense. This is interesting (please don't misinterpret me to claim I said it was "relevant" as I have not said that!) but interesting to think about. So when I searched on his name, to learn what sort of person he was (to help determine whether one could justifiably think of him as a victim) I came across the fact that he was once convicted of a sex crime. I didn't do a deep dive into the details, but it occurred to me that what he did (in light of my limited understanding) might not have even been chargeable as a crime in some states.

Maybe not relevant, but like I said interesting.

What’s True — and False — About the Victims’ Criminal Histories

The viral claims alleging unlawful behavior by Huber, Rosenbaum, and Grosskreutz before the Kenosha shooting were a mixture of truth and falsehoods.

For example, yes, at age 19, Rosenbaum was sentenced to prison for sexually abusing five children — all boys between the ages of 9 and 11 — in Arizona’s Pima County in early 2002, according to his case file obtained via a public records request by Snopes.

The documents said Rosenbaum was temporarily living with the boys’ parents after his mother had kicked him out for disobeying her rules about one month earlier. Over the course of his weeks-long stay, Rosenbaum molested the boys, showed them porn, and performed oral sex on them, among other offenses, the documents showed. He was sentenced to prison for roughly 15 years, and authorities believed at the time “his risk to recidivate being of great concern to the community” considering the victims’ gender and age. (Let us note here: The records included an interview with Rosenbaum in which he said his stepfather sexually abused him and his brother on an almost daily basis when he was a preteen.)

Considering that evidence, the claim that Rosenbaum at one point was convicted of sexually abusing at least one child before his death was true.

Next, we analyzed criminal records involving Huber, and determined it also accurate to state he was charged with domestic abuse. We uncovered a Kenosha County criminal complaint that outlined his first serious run-in with law enforcement, in December 2012. And per that complaint, Huber, who was 18 years old at the time, threatened his brother and grandmother at their home with a knife, choked the brother, and demanded that they follow his orders. The complaint said the brother wanted to take Huber to a hospital, apparently for emergency mental health help, but Huber resisted. In the end, he was charged with strangulation and suffocation and false imprisonment, both of which are felony crimes.

On another occasion, about three years later, Huber paid a roughly $150 citation or possessing drug paraphernalia, court records showed. Then, in 2018, Huber was charged with disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor offense, after a fight with his sister at their house, per a criminal complaint by Kenosha prosecutors.

But unlike what many Rittenhouse supporters claimed, we could find no court evidence that Huber had sexually assaulted anyone.

Also false was the assertion that all three of the teenager’s victims were felons. Grosskreutz had not committed a felony crime, our analysis of court records showed.

He was, however, found guilty in 2016 of breaking Wisconsin’s law governing the use of dangerous weapons — a misdemeanor offense — per Milwaukee County court records. He had apparently gone somewhere “armed while intoxicated,” though the court records did not elaborate on what exactly had happened. Snopes requested a copy of the probable cause statement from county records administrators, but we have not yet obtained it.

Additionally, Grosskreutz at various points received tickets for minor offenses including disobeying police officers and making loud noises, the court records showed. However, no evidence showed he had indeed committed burglary, like supporters of the alleged killer claimed, though he had been arrested on suspicion of the crime in 2012. The felony charge was later dismissed, per Wisconsin Department of Justice’s criminal data.

In the interview with CNN, Grosskreutz said he has paid his debt for his past crimes and that he had every right to carry a gun at the Aug. 25 protest. “I’m not a felon,” he said. “I had a legal right to possess [a firearm] and to possess it concealed.”

but it occurred to me that what he did (in light of my limited understanding) might not have even been chargeable as a crime in some states.

This is a long thread and I don't know if anybody has mentioned that Joseph Rosenbaum was once convicted of a sex offense. This is interesting (please don't misinterpret me to claim I said it was "relevant" as I have not said that!) but interesting to think about. So when I searched on his name, to learn what sort of person he was (to help determine whether one could justifiably think of him as a victim) I came across the fact that he was once convicted of a sex crime. I didn't do a deep dive into the details, but it occurred to me that what he did (in light of my limited understanding) might not have even been chargeable as a crime in some states.

Maybe not relevant, but like I said interesting.

Records show Huber was a repeat arrestee for domestic violence.

In one instance he was arrested on charges of related to the alleged strangulation and suffocation, use of a dangerous weapon, false imprisonment, battery and disorderly conduct related to the domestic assault.

In another domestic abuse arrest Huber was brought up on charges of battery and disorderly conduct and designated a repeat abuser.

There are too many questions.

A huge question is whether the judge will greatly narrow Rittenhouse's self-defense and require he "exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid those possible consequences", because Rittenhouse was illegally carrying a weapon.

This would give the jury more leeway to find him guilty.

Maybe not relevant, but like I said interesting
Since it did not seem relevant I did not bring it up.
Since we are bringing this type information of up.
Anthony Huber was designated a repeat “domestic abuse” offender

Anal rape of a child, penis touching children, putting his penis in a child's mouth, and molestation of eleven boys age 9-11 ?

Joseph Rosenbaum: Sex Offender 2002 Arizona Criminal Complaint
https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2021/ ... -offender/

I watched Fridays, and I have to say I'm impressed with both sides. But The defense did an excellent job for his client. The part where he, said how sure are you. He didn't say I shot someone and I need help, and he also got them to say he was helping people, and the guy he shot Rosenbaum was aggressive, and they found a loaded gun. I got myself caught up on this. It looks like self-defense to me. If someone pointed a loaded gun at you and lunged at you with a skateboard and you were carrying wouldn't you fire on them?

When even TYT think that Mr Rittenhouse will be found not guilty on 5 of the 6 charges (gun possesion being the one they don't), it's certainly not a good sign for the prosecution.

It seems Andrew Branca has put together an article about the possibility of the prosecution trying to use "provocation" as the reason "self defence" would not be permitted, and discussing all the aspects that may (or may not) support such a strategy.

It's an interesting, albeit slightly long, article - https://lawofselfdefense.com/possible-rittenhouse-trial-prosecution-hail-mary-kyle-provoked-the-attacks/