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19 Nov 2021, 3:13 pm

Just a reminder to America’s two tribes acquittal does not mean innocent, it means he was not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

IMHO Rittenhouse is neither innocent in the colloquial meaning of the word and IMHO not close to being guilty in legal sense. In other words I would have been quite surprised if he was found guilty.

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The bigger fault lies with all the government officials in so many places who let these riots go on and on either because they were afraid or agreed with the rioters. The officials in Kenosha deserve particular criticism. At least in the other cities they had the excuse of no precedent for civil disturbances so widespread and long lasting. The shooting of Jacob Blake happened two and one months after the murder of George Floyd.

I doubt Rittenhouse is a white supremacist because if he was somebody would have dug something probably a lot of things up by now.

Speaking of white supremacy the widespread assumption that the people Rittenhouse shot were black is the inevitable result of Critical Race Theory type thinking that everything must be explained by systematic racism. If Charles Krauthammer were still alive he might call it whiteness derangement syndrome. Sad and frustrating thing is that way too many people are viewing this verdict not as cautionary tale but of further proof of baked in racism.

There is speculation if Rittenhouse will be humbled by this. I don’t know. But if he or anybody else is emboldened by this acquittal to go to a civil disturbance and just start shooting people they think are rioters they probably will be and better be found guilty.


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19 Nov 2021, 3:14 pm

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https://www.mediaite.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-verdict/

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Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted on all charges by a jury in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

18-year-old Rittenhouse faced five counts for the shooting of three men in August 2020 during protests in Kenosha over the police shooting of Jacob Blake.

Rittenhouse killed two men — Anthony Huber, 26, and Joseph Rosenbaum, 36 — and wounded a third, Gaige Grosskreutz, now 27.

Defense lawyers for Rittenhouse argued he acted in self-defense.


There's life in the judicial system yet. Now just to annoy everyone, let's erect a statue to Kyle.


Great idea! :thumright:
It will last 1 second.
Keep the "tearing down of statues" craze alive! :mrgreen:


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19 Nov 2021, 3:16 pm

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Fair warning to anyone who hasn't picked up on it yet, my victory lap here is going to be pretty epic, I have no intention of being a gracious victor on this one, too many people were too obnoxious about this case.

Also, the memes on this have been epic, and I finally get to use them.


"You go, gurl."

I have done the same with Tim Flannery's "even the rain that falls won't reach the dams" thread. :mrgreen:


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19 Nov 2021, 3:19 pm

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I hope his next move, after the victory party, is to sue the ever-loving sh*t out of every media figure who called him a white supremacist, a murderer, a vigilante, or otherwise slandered him over the last year and change, he deserves to get paid for that, and they need to pay.

They're still going to call him that.


I doubt the media will, with legal considerations in mind, but time will tell.
Individuals will be having hissy-fits, however. 8O


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19 Nov 2021, 3:22 pm

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There was lots of deliberation in the case.

There seemed a lot of thought put into the deliberation by the jury.

I hope Rittenhouse learned his lesson---and never plays the ass again.


Agreed, and I hope the kids realise chasing a guy with a weapon, who is trying to escape, is a bad idea also. 8)


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19 Nov 2021, 3:26 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Related but off topic:
The bigger fault lies with all the government officials in so many places who let these riots go on and on either because they were afraid or agreed with the rioters. The officials in Kenosha deserve particular criticism. At least in the other cities they had the excuse of no precedent for civil disturbances so widespread and long lasting. The shooting of Jacob Blake happened two and one months after the murder of George Floyd.


Exactly, and I hope they get the snot sued out of them, none of this would have been necessary if it hadn't been for their gross incompetence in handling an entirely predictable situation, and failing to perform the one duty the government exists to provide, protecting the community. I only wish criminal liability was on the table.


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19 Nov 2021, 3:28 pm

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I hope Rittenhouse learned his lesson---and never plays the ass again.


But outside of wishful thinking, do you believe there's even a slight possibility of that? Folks who are gloating rarely learn lessons from their actions.


Agreed, but you do realise that comment applies to the people who were gloating that Rittenhouse was going to have a very difficult time in the prison system, right?
They will now be gloating that vigilantes will get him, in all probability, based on previous examples of behaviour. 8)


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19 Nov 2021, 3:29 pm

Man, I normally think the whole "liberal tears" thing is pretty cringe, but I'm taking a cheat day watching the MSNBC crowd melt down on Twitter, stick that sh*t straight into my veins :lol: :lol: :lol: .


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19 Nov 2021, 3:33 pm

I don't feel it would be smart for Rittenhouse to be found associated with folks like the Proud Boys.



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19 Nov 2021, 3:34 pm

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They will now be gloating that vigilantes will get him, in all probability, based on previous examples of behaviour. 8)


Because that worked so well the first time? His head of security is a former navy SEAL, and there are literally thousands of people volunteering to buy him a new and better AR right now.


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19 Nov 2021, 3:36 pm

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I don't feel it would be smart for Rittenhouse to be found associated with folks like the Proud Boys.


I don't think he's really associated with them, he was only photographed with them right after he bailed out because they helped raise his bail money, and it would have been pretty ungrateful not to at least have a drink with the people who helped raise $2,000,000 for you.


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19 Nov 2021, 3:36 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
If he doesn't learn his lesson, he will eventually be convicted for something.


I suspect Rittenhouse will feel he has "dodged a bullet", so to speak, based on the valid emotional reaction he showed.
I don't think he'll want to relive an experience like that again.

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It would be interesting to see why he was acquitted.

I still feel Rittenhouse was up to potential no good when he bought his gun to the protest. He was not just going there to "protect" a car dealership.


That is your *speculation*.
I suspect he saw himself as a defender, primarily, but as I suggested, neither of us really know. 8)


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19 Nov 2021, 3:40 pm

Dox47 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't feel it would be smart for Rittenhouse to be found associated with folks like the Proud Boys.


I don't think he's really associated with them, he was only photographed with them right after he bailed out because they helped raise his bail money, and it would have been pretty ungrateful not to at least have a drink with the people who helped raise $2,000,000 for you.


A drowning man will clutch at anything to stay afloat (emotionally).
I doubt Rittenhouse is going to have an easy life even after the acquittal, if that will give solace for some. 8)


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19 Nov 2021, 3:42 pm

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Man, I normally think the whole "liberal tears" thing is pretty cringe, but I'm taking a cheat day watching the MSNBC crowd melt down on Twitter, stick that sh*t straight into my veins :lol: :lol: :lol: .


Some might say they are playing to the audience. :mrgreen:


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19 Nov 2021, 3:44 pm

Megan McArdle has a good piece in WaPo about the acquittal:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ve-wanted/

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All 17-year-olds act like fools sometimes, and many of them have grandiose fantasies about themselves. But in Kyle Rittenhouse’s case, those fantasies seem to have involved carrying a gun. And quite unusually, Rittenhouse took his fantasy life, and his gun, into the middle of a riot, where he killed two men and maimed another.

Yet whether or not you think he presented a legitimate claim of self-defense in his now-concluded murder trial, Rittenhouse is not the caricature the left has made of him. When on Friday afternoon the jury returned a verdict of not guilty on all counts, it wasn’t yet another triumph of white supremacy, aided by a biased judge. It was the American justice system working as it should: giving the benefit of the doubt to a defendant who was dangerously unwise but didn’t clearly commit murder.

While Rittenhouse dove into the drama of running around with a gun, putting out fires and providing first aid during unrest following a police shooting in Kenosha, Wis., in August 2020, he didn’t act like a hunter, or even a belligerent kid trying to provoke a confrontation. When chased, he retreated, turning around only after something was thrown at him, and then again when one of his pursuers fired off his own gun.

Rittenhouse himself pulled the trigger only when Joseph Rosenbaum was almost upon him — after Rosenbaum, according to witness testimony, “said, 'F--- you’ and reached for [Rittenhouse’s] weapon.” After Rittenhouse killed Rosenbaum, the two shootings that followed were a complex tragedy in which three men tried to disarm what they believed to be an active shooter, while Kyle Rittenhouse sought to protect himself from a mob attacking him with feet, skateboard and handgun.

That’s not to say that Rittenhouse is guiltless — at best he made a fatally stupid decision to bring a gun into a volatile situation, and at worst he panicked in a situation he himself created. But too many on the left rushed to the harshest possible judgment from the moment they heard Rittenhouse’s name, and refused to make the return journey even as new evidence emerged.

Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) spoke for many in August 2020 when she tweeted that “A 17 year old white supremacist domestic terrorist drove across state lines, armed with an AR 15.” That tweet is still up, and still widely echoed, even though it is substantially false — the gun didn’t cross state lines, and as the New York Times noted, “There are no overt links on Mr. Rittenhouse’s social media accounts to militias or white supremacist groups who have dispatched armed men to protest events across the country.” Rittenhouse is simply not Timothy McVeigh or Dylann Roof, and it is disturbing to see so many on the left pivot from “defund the police” and “end mass incarceration” to “Lock up Kyle Rittenhouse and throw away the key,” as Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) tweeted last week.

No doubt Jeffries, Pressley and their many fellow travelers still believe the criminal justice system is too harsh. They’re just willing to make exception for certain people. You know, the kind with “an intense affinity for guns, law enforcement and President Trump.” Belatedly, the left has discovered its counterweight to the “compassionate conservatism” of George W. Bush: pitiless progressivism.

This is unfortunate. A sitting U.S. representative judged Rittenhouse guilty before hearing all the testimony, then advocated exactly the kind of excessively long sentences for violent offenders that have become the driving force behind mass incarceration. As a moral matter, Jeffries had a better argument in June 2020, when he was urging America to “End. Mass. Incarceration.” While prison is sometimes necessary, the American justice system imprisons people too long and too enthusiastically.

But what really dismays is the political malpractice. For people serious about criminal justice reform, events of the past year have offered a golden opportunity. With a law-and-order conservative such as Rittenhouse in the dock, and “lock her up” Trump supporters suffering the indignities of the D.C. jail, the left could have turned to the right and said: “You see? Prison conditions in this country are inhumane. Prosecutors have too much power, overreach and wreck lives. Let’s come together to fix this.”

Instead, even as the right waxed indignant about an abusive system, the left wanted vengeance. It wasn’t just the “lock him up” language that elevated one now-18-year-old defendant into a threat to the republic; they also attacked decades of hard-won defendant rights. As the prosecutor’s case sagged, Judge Bruce E. Schroeder was excoriated for making any ruling that constrained the prosecution, even though his rulings were pretty standard.

Indisputably, the system is still working better for Rittenhouse than it does for the nameless poor kids who face it without $2 million bail funds and pricey attorneys. But that’s exactly why it was so vital for the left to seize a moment when conservatives were worried about miscarriages of justice.

Handed a chance to make the system better, the left threw it away and reached for easy outrage and tribal affinities. Instead of changing minds, they merely changed sides
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19 Nov 2021, 3:45 pm

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Some might say they are playing to the audience. :mrgreen:


F*ck'm, I hope they're in actual anguish, them and their audience, they deserve it.


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