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29 Nov 2021, 3:06 pm

To see how massive vaccinations in UK work, I recommend this: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

After the summer low, people got vaccinated and restrictions were mostly removed.
New cases run wild, new deaths are way lowered compared to the previous waves - but still numerous. Roughly 1/10 of what would be expected based on previous waves.

Compare it to, say, Ukraine - where mass vaccination can't be afforded like in UK: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... y/ukraine/
New wave, even more deaths than in the previous ones.

Vaccines do work but don't do miracles.


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29 Nov 2021, 3:06 pm

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It is almost as if certain people are trying to defend the non-existent "right" of the coronavirus to exist...
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COVID IS BEING CANCELLED!!

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Viruses like this never have a right to exist. It's just that trying to eliminate it is virtually impossible but governments around the world along with the general public appear to be attempting it. Alchemy and perpetual motion machines seem more feasible than eradicating or even controlling Covid.


Don't tell us.
Tell fauci. 8)


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29 Nov 2021, 3:10 pm

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I agree that, ultimately, variants will become milder, like most coronaviruses. Hopefully, the Omicron variant will prove to be relatively mild.

Still, the present-day Delta variant causes considerable death and hospitalizations, especially in the unvaccinated. COVID is still acting like a “novel” virus.


People are suggesting Omicron might muscle out Delta, partly because it is more infectious and partly because it might be milder.

Share market recovering, btw. 8)


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29 Nov 2021, 3:12 pm

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Share market recovering, btw. 8)

Yeah, we watch it, too. We have some money there.


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29 Nov 2021, 3:13 pm

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Scientists think this individual had HIV/AIDS and was likely unvaccinated.

Source?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal ... v-patient/

Thanks. The scientists call in "speculative" and it looks like it's one of the suspected possibilities, the other being simply gaps in sequencing intermediate forms of the virus.

Anyway, we're living with globally spilled milk. Closing borders won't help with Omicron, it's already in UK and Schengen. The question is, is it really milder than Delta?
Here, hospital workers claim Delta is more dangerous to younger people, children and pregnant women than either the original strain or Alpha. So, the evolution towards milder form is not obvious and, even if real, probably much slower than towards easier spread.

We're living in unpredictable times and nothing can be really done about it.


Locking up fauci *might* mitigate the situation.
We don't need additional GoF viruses. 8)


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29 Nov 2021, 3:18 pm

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Locking up fauci *might* mitigate the situation.
No way. No matter what happened at the beginning, once in the wild, only the laws of Nature matter.
And emidemology of something new, without heavy lockdowns, is always full of unknowns.


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29 Nov 2021, 3:24 pm

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For those who don't bother with my Math above:
If everyone got vaccinated, only vaccinated people would die.
When (as in UK) the above is close to truth among vulnerable groups, mostly vaccinated people die - because there aren't enough unvaccinated vulnerable people around to also die.


I nominate magz to be the predominant maths scientist on this website.
Listen to the science magz. 8)


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29 Nov 2021, 3:34 pm

magz wrote:
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Locking up fauci *might* mitigate the situation.
No way. No matter what happened at the beginning, once in the wild, only the laws of Nature matter.
And emidemology of something new, without heavy lockdowns, is always full of unknowns.


You have ignored: "We don't need additional GoF viruses."
While I don't know absolutely, I am totally convince, at this stage, that the original Wuhan coronavirus was manmade through GoF manipulation.

While the Chinese military may have been the biggest contributor to this tragedy, fauci's funding to the Wuhan lab assisted in the deaths of over 5 million people and counting.

Let us not give fauci an additional opportunity to involve himself in GoF research.
Why this man hasn't been sacked can only be explained (to me) through political interference.

The skunk has spoken. 8)


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29 Nov 2021, 3:37 pm

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To see how massive vaccinations in UK work, I recommend this: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

After the summer low, people got vaccinated and restrictions were mostly removed.
New cases run wild, new deaths are way lowered compared to the previous waves - but still numerous. Roughly 1/10 of what would be expected based on previous waves.

Compare it to, say, Ukraine - where mass vaccination can't be afforded like in UK: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... y/ukraine/
New wave, even more deaths than in the previous ones.

Vaccines do work but don't do miracles.


Apparently so.
God seems to be M.I.A. 8O


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30 Nov 2021, 3:31 pm

Stocks slide after Moderna CEO says vaccines may not work as well against Omicron

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Stock markets slumped on Tuesday after the head of Moderna said existing COVID-19 vaccines may not be as effective against the Omicron variant appearing in a growing number of countries around the world.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average slipped nearly 600 points, or 1.7%, to 34,536 in early afternoon trading. The index has declined 5.2% from its record peak of more than 36,000, reached earlier this month. Other indices also slumped on Tuesday, with the S&P 500 slipping 1.6% and the tech-heavy Nasdaq declining 1.7%.

Investors were spooked by Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel's comments to the Financial Times about the new variant, given its potential to create headwinds for the global economic recovery.

At the same time, investors were also digesting comments from Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell, who testified on Tuesday at the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs. Powell said the Omicron variant as posing "downside risks to employment and economic activity and increased uncertainty for inflation."

He added, "Greater concerns about the virus could reduce people's willingness to work in person, which would slow progress in the labor market and intensify supply-chain disruptions."

ancel told the FT that it's likely the current group of vaccines to protect against COVID-19 may need modification due to Omicron's high number of mutations.


Omicron COVID variant was in Europe before South African scientists detected and flagged it to the world
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Dutch health authorities announced on Tuesday that they found the new Omicron variant of the coronavirus in cases dating back as long as 11 days, indicating that it was already spreading in western Europe before the first cases were identified in southern Africa. The RIVM health institute said it found Omicron in samples dating from November 19 and 23.

Those findings predate the positive cases found among passengers who came from South Africa last Friday and were tested at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport.

"It is not yet clear whether the people concerned [in the earlier cases] have also been to southern Africa," the RIVM said, adding that the individuals had been informed of their Omicron infections and that local health services had started contact tracing.

Belgium and Germany have also said that sample tests confirm the variant was in those countries before South African health officials alerted the world on November 24 to its existence.


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30 Nov 2021, 3:50 pm

The latest strategy to boost protection against Omicron is for early booster shots. Cutting time between 2nd shot and booster from 6 months to 3 months.

Meanwhile pharma companies need at least 100 days to generate a omicron specific vaccine,

In the meantime many people are awaiting with bated breath as their christmas holidays are on a knife's edge.



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30 Nov 2021, 5:06 pm

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I want to die.


don t die please . :|


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30 Nov 2021, 5:11 pm

Jakki wrote:
lostonearth35 wrote:
I want to die.


don t die please . :|


Do we have an option?
When did we get an option on whether or not to die? :scratch:
<Pepe checks his lifeline>
OMG!
I don't! 8O

Cheated again. :evil:
What else is new? :mrgreen:


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30 Nov 2021, 8:24 pm

Soliloquist wrote:
You are well aware that the facts released by the UK government
don't support this, but you still press on with this narrative.
Care to explain why?
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UK Government vaccine surveillance report week 43

This chart tells us absolutely nothing without the rest of the data, which can be found in the PDF you linked.

Among the unvaccinated who are 60 or older, 50.4% died within 28 days of positive test.
Among the fully vaccinated, ages 60+, 12.8% died.
Is my math correct? High school was a long time ago, and all my friends said that we would never use math in Real Life...

However, the data is also going to be skewed because, according to this PDF, over 90% of individuals over the age of 60 are fully vaccinated. When everyone has already been vaccinated, there are a lot less unvaccinated people available to die.

It's interesting to note that, by far, the largest spreaders of the virus appear to be unvaccinated individuals aged under 18, at 355K positive. (just for reference, less than 10% of that group are fully vaccinated)

cyberdad wrote:
The latest strategy to boost protection against Omicron is for early booster shots. Cutting time between 2nd shot and booster from 6 months to 3 months.

Maybe people should, oh, I don't know...start wearing masks again? :scratch:

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Even Spanish Flu was wrapped up quicker than this and they had virtually none of the medical understanding we have today.

Not yet, IIRC we still have...about six months to catch up!


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01 Dec 2021, 2:27 pm

magz wrote:
To see how massive vaccinations in UK work, I recommend this: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

After the summer low, people got vaccinated and restrictions were mostly removed.
New cases run wild, new deaths are way lowered compared to the previous waves - but still numerous. Roughly 1/10 of what would be expected based on previous waves.

Compare it to, say, Ukraine - where mass vaccination can't be afforded like in UK: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... y/ukraine/
New wave, even more deaths than in the previous ones.

Vaccines do work but don't do miracles.


This chart is created from the data collected by
Office For National Statistics.

Dataset can be found here:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... tusengland

Weekly age-specific mortality rates by vaccination
status for deaths involving COVID-19, per 100,000
people, England, deaths occurring between
2 January 2021 and 24 September 2021
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01 Dec 2021, 3:16 pm

U.S. confirms nation’s first case of omicron Covid variant in California

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White House chief medical advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said the individual, who was fully vaccinated, had just returned from traveling in South Africa to the San Francisco area on Nov. 22 and tested positive on Nov. 29.

“The individual is self quarantining and all close contacts have been contacted and all close contacts, thus far, have tested negative,” he announced at a White House press briefing providing more details of the case. “We feel good that this patient not only had mild symptoms, but actually the symptoms appear to be improving.”

The CDC said genomic sequencing was initially conducted at the University of California, San Francisco and confirmed by the CDC as the omicron variant.

The World Health Organization said on Wednesday that omicron has been reported in at least 23 countries.


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