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03 Dec 2021, 5:14 pm

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Now, while neither you nor I happen to be lawyers, it is a fair claim that in such a high-profile case wherein the defendants' every action is well-documented, the charges as filed are far from frivolous.


The terrorism charge is the absolute definition of frivolous, as the other charges already carry a life sentence, and the crime does not fit the commonly accepted definition of the term, as it lacks a political angle. Under this usage, any crime that frightens people could be charged as "terrorism", which is clearly not what the law intended, and it doesn't take a lawyer to say so.


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03 Dec 2021, 5:34 pm

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Now, while neither you nor I happen to be lawyers, it is a fair claim that in such a high-profile case wherein the defendants' every action is well-documented, the charges as filed are far from frivolous.
The terrorism charge is the absolute definition of frivolous...
So YOU say.  The prosecutor gave a reasonable explanation for the Terrorism charge.

You can defend terrorists all you want; but if the jury returns a guilty verdict, then the defendant is convicted of terrorism, and that is all there is to it (at least, until an appeal is filed).

It is neither your opinion nor the "commonly accepted definition" of the term that matters.  It is the legal definition that counts.

The only "frivolous" aspect is when an "armchair lawyer" tries to argue against the charges when he has neither the expertise nor the license to argue the case at all.



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03 Dec 2021, 6:52 pm

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Parents are on the run.

The FBI, US Marshalls, and Sheriff are looking for them.


You can't make this stuff up. Can create a new teledrama "MAGAs on the Run" :lol:



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03 Dec 2021, 6:53 pm

Dox47 wrote:
Fnord wrote:

Now, while neither you nor I happen to be lawyers, it is a fair claim that in such a high-profile case wherein the defendants' every action is well-documented, the charges as filed are far from frivolous.


The terrorism charge is the absolute definition of frivolous, as the other charges already carry a life sentence, and the crime does not fit the commonly accepted definition of the term, as it lacks a political angle. Under this usage, any crime that frightens people could be charged as "terrorism", which is clearly not what the law intended, and it doesn't take a lawyer to say so.


What exactly is the kid's angle? incel? militia? 8chan? hated school? take your pick....



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03 Dec 2021, 7:00 pm

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Dox47 wrote:
Fnord wrote:

Now, while neither you nor I happen to be lawyers, it is a fair claim that in such a high-profile case wherein the defendants' every action is well-documented, the charges as filed are far from frivolous.


The terrorism charge is the absolute definition of frivolous, as the other charges already carry a life sentence, and the crime does not fit the commonly accepted definition of the term, as it lacks a political angle. Under this usage, any crime that frightens people could be charged as "terrorism", which is clearly not what the law intended, and it doesn't take a lawyer to say so.


What exactly is the kid's angle? incel? militia? 8chan? hated school? take your pick....


Forced to spend the last 15 years of his life with effed up jack-hole parents?



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03 Dec 2021, 7:16 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Fnord wrote:

Now, while neither you nor I happen to be lawyers, it is a fair claim that in such a high-profile case wherein the defendants' every action is well-documented, the charges as filed are far from frivolous.


The terrorism charge is the absolute definition of frivolous, as the other charges already carry a life sentence, and the crime does not fit the commonly accepted definition of the term, as it lacks a political angle. Under this usage, any crime that frightens people could be charged as "terrorism", which is clearly not what the law intended, and it doesn't take a lawyer to say so.


What exactly is the kid's angle? incel? militia? 8chan? hated school? take your pick....


Forced to spend the last 15 years of his life with effed up jack-hole parents?


Has he got a diary or social media? or did his MAGA parent's do a Kyle Rittenhouse's mother and erase every internet post he ever made?



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03 Dec 2021, 7:19 pm

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You can defend terrorists all you want; but if the jury returns a guilty verdict, then the defendant is convicted of terrorism, and that is all there is to it (at least, until an appeal is filed).

It is neither your opinion nor the "commonly accepted definition" of the term that matters.  It is the legal definition that counts.

The only "frivolous" aspect is when an "armchair lawyer" tries to argue against the charges when he has neither the expertise nor the license to argue the case at all.[/color]


Do you also think OJ is innocent because that's what the court found? Because that's the line of argumentation you're presenting here, if the court says it it must be true, which is odd.

I've also never presented myself as a lawyer, nor even as someone who plays one on TV, so I'm not sure where you're getting that line of attack from, though I do have an excellent track record when it comes to calling these things, turns out you can learn a lot from studies and observation, credentialed or not.


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03 Dec 2021, 8:45 pm

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What exactly is the kid's angle? incel? militia? 8chan? hated school? take your pick....

Hours before the shooting, a teacher found a note he made that said: "‘The thoughts won’t stop. Help me.’


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03 Dec 2021, 8:53 pm

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KimD wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Fnord wrote:

Now, while neither you nor I happen to be lawyers, it is a fair claim that in such a high-profile case wherein the defendants' every action is well-documented, the charges as filed are far from frivolous.


The terrorism charge is the absolute definition of frivolous, as the other charges already carry a life sentence, and the crime does not fit the commonly accepted definition of the term, as it lacks a political angle. Under this usage, any crime that frightens people could be charged as "terrorism", which is clearly not what the law intended, and it doesn't take a lawyer to say so.


What exactly is the kid's angle? incel? militia? 8chan? hated school? take your pick....


Forced to spend the last 15 years of his life with effed up jack-hole parents?


Has he got a diary or social media? or did his MAGA parent's do a Kyle Rittenhouse's mother and erase every internet post he ever made?


Yes, there is a lot of information available.

The note that TheRobot mentioned also included a disturbing illustration of someone shooting a person. That note was brought to his parents' attention--at an in-person, on-campus meeting. They declined or refused to take him home and get immediate counseling for him, as the school admin advised, after that drawing was found.



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03 Dec 2021, 8:58 pm

The U.S. Marshals and the Oakland County Fugitive Apprehension Team searched Friday night for the parents of Ethan Crumbley, the 15-year-old Oxford High sophomore charged with first-degree murder in the slayings of four students in Tuesday's mass shooting.

At one point Friday, authorities say each parent had stopped responding to their attorneys.

"The action of fleeing and ignoring their attorney certainly adds weight to the charges", Oakland County Sheriff Mike Bouchard said in a statement. "They cannot run from their part in this tragedy.”

Several hours after the search began, the couple's lawyers, Shannon Smith and Mariell Lehman, said the husband and wife were returning to the area to be arraigned.

But by Friday evening, federal marshals said they had adopted the case of the search for James and Jennifer Crumbley and would be working in conjunction with the Oakland County Sheriff’s Office.

"Their attorney had assured us that if a decision was made to charge them, she would produce them for arrest", Oakland County Undersheriff Mike McCabe said earlier Friday.

That agreement with attorney Smith was sometime in the morning, McCabe said around 2 p.m. Friday.  "Our last conversation with the attorney was that she had been trying to reach them by phone and text, and they were not responding", he said.

McCabe said Fugitive Apprehension Team officers were out searching for the couple as of mid-afternoon Friday. The Crumbleys own a 2021 black Kia Seltos with the license plate DQG5203 and a 2019 white Kia Soul with the license plate DZH8994, according to the sheriff's office and Secretary of State records.


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03 Dec 2021, 9:03 pm

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Forced to spend the last 15 years of his life with effed up jack-hole parents?


THIS.

Who the freaking F buys their child a gun?


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03 Dec 2021, 9:08 pm

Is it possible the kid has some type of schizophrenia?



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03 Dec 2021, 9:14 pm

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Is it possible the kid has some type of schizophrenia?


Could be, but of course hallucinations can be caused by a number of conditions/drugs/medications.



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03 Dec 2021, 9:19 pm

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Is it possible the kid has some type of schizophrenia?


Could be, but of course hallucinations can be caused by a number of conditions/drugs/medications.


My guess is Mommy/Daddy fed him drugs + propaganda + susceptibility to schizoactive thinking = the kid's distorted thinking



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03 Dec 2021, 9:21 pm

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Parents are on the run.

The FBI, US Marshalls, and Sheriff are looking for them.


You can't make this stuff up. Can create a new teledrama "MAGAs on the Run" :lol:


Maybe the authorities will catch them before they run off to a swamp...and off themselves.



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03 Dec 2021, 9:23 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
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Parents are on the run.

The FBI, US Marshalls, and Sheriff are looking for them.


You can't make this stuff up. Can create a new teledrama "MAGAs on the Run" :lol:


Maybe the authorities will catch them before they run off to a swamp...and off themselves.


Funny seems to be a lot of that lately. Parents know something they are embarrassed about.,