Mass Shooting in Michigan High School

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The kid murdered 4 people.

So, you expect us to ...

1) ... ignore your attempts to defend the teachers' naiveté?
2) ... ignore your attempts to defend the parents' negligence?
3) ... ignore your indifference to the crimes committed?

Yes my daughter is handled this way and so was Kraichgauer's daughter.



Even though she is 16 she has elbowed her teacher or got into fights this year and was sent to sit with the deputy principal. Admittedly this is a form a negative reinforcement where her actions have consequences (losing recess/lunch). She goes to an NT school and many of her classmates get into fights/other infractions also end up in recess/lunchtime detention so it's not just for autistic kids.

Mental health is not taken seriously at schools. But I can also see how teachers aren't trained to see the first signs of depression or mental breakdown. In NT schools the teachers also often don't care that much, When I was in school they had a sink or swim attitude. If kids were sinking then that was their problem not the teachers.

When one raises a child with a special need, as you and I have, you learn quickly that dropping everything and tending to the need is the only way through; failing to do so escalates problems. But I don’t think most parents have been forced to learn that, and it may not be true for every child. Whether or not these parents (who generally seem incredibly self-centered) should have know better will be part of what needs to be dealt with at trial.

But I thought the point of murders like that is to make some kind of statement (kind of like Cho released a manifesto). So why wouldn't he "want" to tell why he did it? Isn't it kinda his whole point?

I have the impression that the ones wanting to make a point seem to end their own lives at the same time, thus having no need for lawyers reminding them not to speak.

My daughter is autistic, with combined-type ADHD, and she’s Gifted. Dual (triple?) diagnoses like that make children very prone to boredom and frustration at school. She has sensory issues and used to walk out of her classrooms unnoticed to find small spaces to sit unsupervised. I once found her outside by herself at age 4 when she was at a summer program. The teachers hadn’t noticed. She also has a permanent physical condition which meant she was frequently sick or unable to attend school because of appointments. As she got older she developed PTSD because of her narcissistic father, in addition to depression, anxiety, and demand / avoidance behaviours.

My son was fostered and adopted. He has ADHD, ODD, learning disabilities, impulsive behaviours and had run-ins with the law during adolescence. His parents were drug abusers so he had those genetics. He barely scraped through school. He’s very successful now but those years were tough.

I have moderate Autism and ADHD which weren’t even diagnosed so I had no support with executive function or mental health. I still managed to work full time, own a house, and raise my kids to be incredible humans without the help of a spouse. If I could do it, why couldn’t they? The boy in this story has two parents and to the best of my knowledge his parents aren’t autistic. I don’t understand how two people together can’t manage to meet the needs of one child when those needs were brought to their attention by school personnel. The boy could have been suicidal, but they appear to have been nonplussed — even knowing he owned a gun which they’d provided for him.

You, Kraich, and the rest of us who dedicate our lives to parenting wouldn’t dream of setting our kids up for failure the way these two morons did.

It’s so sad, and such an unfathomable tragedy that other people’s children suffered and lost their lives as a result of their negligence and neglect.

There are many ways of making a point: some involve ending the life, others don't.

But, logically, everyone who committed a murder have to make "some" point. Otherwise, what was their purpose?

Who cares. It’s not like any killer’s particular motivation will ever be understood, and it’s not like their logic is valid. Our job is to make sure there are safeguards in place to prevent these tragedies happening again.

High school gun clubs and teams in the United States

This might apply to politically motivated murders like those of Dylan Roof or Anders Breveik.

Serial killers are driven by compulsion to kill (not logic).

A lot of school shooters are driven by anger, regret, envy, jealousy, depression and suicidal ideation. These are based on emotion not logic.

But it wasn't for a video game. If the teachers could see the kid was distressed but the parents didn't, then they're both sh***y parents.

Thanks for saying so.

The child was not distressed.

He was well-behaved.

That is partially why the counselors sent him back to class.

My daughter is in a special ed class, so she's shielded from NT bullying, thankfully.

Very.

Thank you for all your hard work and attention with your own children. We all benefit when parents take the job seriously.