Trump finally reveals his Anti-Semitism.

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18 Oct 2022, 11:00 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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I'd rather base my support of Israel on a friendship with another pluralistic democracy rather than what I believe is an errant interpretation of Revelations, a book that possibly shouldn't have even been canonized.

There's more scripture tied into it than Revelation. We should've been having this conversation here


I - and my theology - aren't much given to millennialism.

The view held by the Lutheran church is allmillennialism.

I'm not much given to millennialism and end times prophecy either.



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18 Oct 2022, 11:05 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:
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Matrix Glitch wrote:
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I'd rather base my support of Israel on a friendship with another pluralistic democracy rather than what I believe is an errant interpretation of Revelations, a book that possibly shouldn't have even been canonized.

There's more scripture tied into it than Revelation. We should've been having this conversation here


I - and my theology - aren't much given to millennialism.

The view held by the Lutheran church is allmillennialism.


That is correct.


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22 Oct 2022, 3:51 pm

Well I think calling Trump anti-semitic just because he says American Jewish people do not back Israel is kind of a reach since he seems pro Israel as a result. That would be like if a politician in Israel called out citizens from the US who live there for being anti-American, and then accusing that politician of being anti-American when he is saying Americans who live there, should be more pro-America.



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22 Oct 2022, 5:00 pm

ironpony wrote:
Well I think calling Trump anti-semitic just because he says American Jewish people do not back Israel is kind of a reach since he seems pro Israel as a result. That would be like if a politician in Israel called out citizens from the US who live there for being anti-American, and then accusing that politician of being anti-American when he is saying Americans who live there, should be more pro-America.


I agree.

Am not a fan of Trump, nor am I fan of what he said. But what he said here (whether you agree with it or not) just doesnt strike me as "antisemitic". Unless I am missing something. Like you said it would be as if Biden were to say "Ukrainian Americans should do more to help Ukraine against Russia" (a statement that would anti Russian, not anti Ukrainian).

Folks put his statement into the same basket as old school antisemitism by equating it with the old charge against Jews that "Jews have divided loyalty - and not full red blooded patriots to our country because they are loyal to Israel".

Trump seems to be saying that American Jews should be MORE loyal to Israel than they are! And further...that Israel might down the tubes if American Jews dont "get with it and support Israel". So you could fault Trump for demanding unquestioning loyalty to Israel and all its policies (which is a questionable demand to make of Jews, or of anyone else). But I dont see how it shows Trump to be "antisemitic".



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31 Jul 2024, 9:47 am

Trump says Kamala Harris, who is married to a Jew, ‘doesn’t like Jewish people’

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Former President Donald Trump in an interview on Tuesday claimed Vice President Kamala Harris, who is married to a Jewish man, “doesn’t like Jewish people” and seemed to agree with a radio host who called second gentleman Doug Emhoff “a crappy Jew.”

Trump, in an interview on WABC radio on Tuesday, claimed Harris looked uncomfortable while meeting last week with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

“You can see the disdain,” he said, adding, “No. 1, she doesn’t like Israel. No. 2, she doesn’t like Jewish people. You know it, I know it and everybody knows it and nobody wants to say it.”

Trump has tried to capitalize on divisions in the Democratic Party over the Israel-Hamas war and sought to paint his political opponents as antisemitic while overlooking some of his own past comments and behavior, such as dining at his Florida club with a Holocaust-denying white nationalist.

In the interview, the Republican former president repeated comments he has made before lashing out at Jewish voters who back Democrats, saying anyone who does “should have their head examined” and “if you’re Jewish, if you vote for a Democrat, you’re a fool, an absolute fool. They have let Jewish people down since Obama at a level that nobody could believe.”

As Trump continued on, he again said of Harris, “She dislikes Jewish people and Israel even more than Biden did.”

The interview host, Sid Rosenberg, then mentioned Harris’s husband Emhoff and said, “He’s Jewish like Bernie Sanders is Jewish. Are you kidding me?”

“Yeah,” Trump said.

“He’s a crappy Jew,” Rosenberg said, continuing.

“Yeah,” Trump said again.

Rosenberg went on, saying of Emhoff, “He’s a horrible Jew.”

They then moved on to criticizing Harris on other issues.

Trump made a similar claim about Harris disliking Jewish people on Friday while speaking to a Christian group at a Turning Point USA gathering in Florida. He has also ignited blowback in the past for making similar remarks about Jewish people, like when he said in March that Jews who vote for Democrats “hate Israel” and hate “their religion.”

Emhoff, the first Jewish person to serve as the spouse of a nationally elected US leader, has been one of the most visible members of the Biden administration speaking about combating antisemitism. He hung mezuzahs — rolled parchments inscribed with passages from the Torah — on the doorposts of the vice president’s residence and led Passover celebrations at the White House.

Emhoff’s office declined to comment Tuesday.

Trump’s campaign has also criticized Emhoff’s adult daughter Ella for posting on her social media account a fundraising link for the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees.


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31 Jul 2024, 3:34 pm

him and his crowd do not comprehend the concept of shame.



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31 Jul 2024, 3:44 pm

there is a 75+ million strong fifth column in this country. we are in serious trouble.



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31 Jul 2024, 4:56 pm

auntblabby wrote:
him and his crowd do not comprehend the concept of shame.


In fact they revel in their shamelessness.


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31 Jul 2024, 5:06 pm

trump really doesn't have any barrell he won't scrape to make headlines.
In any case, this thread is largely irrelevant
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/10/19/tr ... m-accords/
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/poll ... ove-trump/

Also his son in law and likely heir Jared Kushner is Jewish and so are his grandchildren.