Can modern Christianity serve women?

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23 Dec 2021, 12:41 pm

My personal views are that yes, it is the perfect vehicle for women to have safe communities in society, to be protected by men (who will have the illusion of power) - all the while being able to benefit from independence from the Christian community should they so choose, with LGBTQ+ people being accepted within most Christian communities.

True Christianity is socialist, but has been paired with capitalism along the timeline of history, unfortunately, via the United States as a superpower.

The gift of giving freely,
versus trying to amount power via collecting worthless fiat currency, inevitably ends with more people receiving 'gifts' than not receiving 'gifts', versus a capitalist system where hardly anyone 'receives', apart from those at the top of the proverbial 'food chain'.

What do people think? I find this to be an excellent idea. But I have little social 'clout' & thus not many people listen, nor care.


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23 Dec 2021, 12:48 pm

I think not. Women and men who get too vested in the church become weak. Church life often ends up replacing a broader healthy social circle and if they're not careful they can become out of touch with modern social customs.



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23 Dec 2021, 12:55 pm

The best I can figure (and I'm far from the definitive source) is that Christianity is meant to be a "free socialist" society.

Meaning that the structure will appear (to an outside observer) to function much like Socialism. But on the inside (to and of the participants/members), they are free to do whatever they want, but they choose to give to one other and share with one another and help one another.

The difference being that a true (govermental) Socialist society is forced upon its constituents, and the supreme leader (one person at the top of the hierarchy) decides what is best for everyone.

A "free socialist society" would have every participant sharing freely with each other of their own free will. There is no leader forcing the distribution of wealth or deciding how it happens. This sort of society is born and functions of true altruism.

Now whether or not any true free socialist society exists (or can can exist) in the modern real world application, I have my doubts. Where a society lacks a leader, one tends to force their way into the "vacant leadership" position that they see (because they want power, or see an opportunity to skim extra wealth for themself, but we're diverging from true altruism here).

In theory, in a true Christian society, God is the leader. But again, it's debatable that this is observable in any real life scenario.


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23 Dec 2021, 12:56 pm

Nades wrote:
I think not. Women and men who get too vested in the church become weak. Church life often ends up replacing a broader healthy social circle and if they're not careful they can become out of touch with modern social customs.


Imagine if the church though was the modern social custom? What then?

Also, people have bad experiences from/with Christianity because it has been paired with capitalism in the United States, which isn't genuine Christianity. Also, fundamental Christianity has been a negative influence as well.


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23 Dec 2021, 12:58 pm

Socialism plus LGBTQ+ acceptance/practice minus fundemental Christian bigotry, gives both community & security for everyone.


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23 Dec 2021, 1:15 pm

that1weirdgrrrl wrote:
The best I can figure (and I'm far from the definitive source) is that Christianity is meant to be a "free socialist" society.

Meaning that the structure will appear (to an outside observer) to function much like Socialism. But on the inside (to and of the participants/members), they are free to do whatever they want, but they choose to give to one other and share with one another and help one another.

The difference being that a true (govermental) Socialist society is forced upon its constituents, and the supreme leader (one person at the top of the hierarchy) decides what is best for everyone.

A "free socialist society" would have every participant sharing freely with each other of their own free will. There is no leader forcing the distribution of wealth or deciding how it happens. This sort of society is born and functions of true altruism.

Now whether or not any true free socialist society exists (or can can exist) in the modern real world application, I have my doubts. Where a society lacks a leader, one tends to force their way into the "vacant leadership" position that they see (because they want power, or see an opportunity to skim extra wealth for themself, but we're diverging from true altruism here).

In theory, in a true Christian society, God is the leader. But again, it's debatable that this is observable in any real life scenario.


I think you hit the proverbial 'nail on the head' here. I agree with everything you have said.


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